Chiefs I owe Kyle Orton an apology... - Page 5

htismaqe · 12-18-2011, 03:42 PM

and quite a few people here should be doling them out as well...

Leonard Pope? Big catches. Barry Richardson? Nice job.

Same cast of characters, same playcalling (McCluster up the middle, anyone?)...

Yet Orton has 300 yards passing in a game where we led the entire way.

Yeah, I wanted to see Stanzi play and I still do.

But thank you Kyle Orton for making it ABUNDANTLY clear how much of a waste Matt Cassel is...

Deberg_1990 · 12-18-2011, 04:12 PM

Execution trumps playcalling everytime. Play calling is too often blamed by fans.

SenselessChiefsFan · 12-18-2011, 04:12 PM

Orton did a very good job given the short time that he had to work with this team.

I really don't want to take away from what he did. Congrats to Orton.

Rams Fan · 12-18-2011, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Execution trumps playcalling everytime. Play calling is too often blamed by fans.

This.

This x100.

SenselessChiefsFan · 12-18-2011, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I was at the Minnesota game and watched every play.

You have no idea what you're talking about. None.

Once again, perception isn't reality. It happens a lot around here.

scho63 · 12-18-2011, 04:13 PM

Like Winston Wolf said, "Let's not start sucking each other's dicks just yet."

O.city · 12-18-2011, 04:14 PM

Isn't Cassel the worst rated qb in the NFl over the last 3 years who has thrown more than 1000 passes?

htismaqe · 12-18-2011, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan

Once again, perception isn't reality. It happens a lot around here.

OK, so you're basically calling me a liar.

Got it.

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-18-2011, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan

Oh, those things don't matter. Come on man. It was all Cassel. The fact that they called a better game and got the plays in on time.... no impact on the game.

You are a ****ing dumbass. Cassel sucks.

There was still some shitty play selections.

If you cannot tell that Orton was better than Cassel in every way, then you are just plain dumb.

**dirk digler** · 12-18-2011, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's the same offense. They didn't change the offense.

And they've been getting the plays in on time since the FIRST TIME Palko started.

You only see what you want to see, it's pretty clear.

They had to have changed some of the offense we never ran that many deep routes before today

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-18-2011, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63

Like Winston Wolf said, "Let's not start sucking each other's dicks just yet."

We are arguing Orton vs Cassel, dumbass.

mcan · 12-18-2011, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

and quite a few people here should be doling them out as well...

Leonard Pope? Big catches. Barry Richardson? Nice job.

Same cast of characters, same playcalling (McCluster up the middle, anyone?)...

Yet Orton has 300 yards passing in a game where we led the entire way.

Yeah, I wanted to see Stanzi play and I still do.

But thank you Kyle Orton for making it ABUNDANTLY clear how much of a waste Matt Cassel is...

Orton played a great game and is clearly an upgrade over Cassel. But the biggest difference out there today was the way the offense was set up. We ran screens with O-linemen lead blocking against blitzes, giving our guys space 4 times today (three of them were successful). We haven't done that ALL YEAR. Not once, did we throw a shitty bobble screen to a wr, and just hope that the slot could make a block against a corner in press coverage. We only threw the wr screen twice, but NEVER relied on that low percentage block. We just took it when their guys were playing off. We also better utilized our TEs and got them up the seems against zone defenses and used the deep middle part of the field. By doing so, we were able to neutralize the opponents blitzes and make them play honestly (instead of going max protect and trying to BLOCK 7 and 8 man blitzes). our offensive line ran TRAPS today, on a lot of runs that weren't counters. We also actually PITCHED the ball a few times, instead of just running stretches, which gave our running backs a chance to use efficient footwork to catch the corner, instead of making them footRACE to the sideline. This offense looked like a professional offense, not just in execution but in preparation and style. It's VERY clear that Haley's system of offense was dragging everybody down, and now that the cancer has been removed, we can start actually evaluating what we have.

JCharles1981 · 12-18-2011, 04:17 PM

I am not putting my trust in Kyle Orton until I see what he does next year. Having him start the last 3 games of this season isn't enough for me to make a judgment call on whether or not he can spark a fire into the Chiefs' offense. Remember how excited many of us were when Dick Vermeil became the Head Coach during the first half of the last decade, and then were bummed when we only made it to the playoffs once in the 5 years he was with us? Don't cross your fingers just yet.

Hammock Parties · 12-18-2011, 04:17 PM

jd1020 · 12-18-2011, 04:18 PM

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SenselessChiefsFan · 12-18-2011, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

You are a ****ing dumbass. Cassel sucks.

There was still some shitty play selections.

If you cannot tell that Orton was better than Cassel in every way, then you are just plain dumb.

I wish Haley was still here, so that we could actually judge Orton in the same situation.

I have said ALL along, for a long time, that Cassel is average, Haley makes him and the entire offense less than average.

Either way, Crennel got more out of this team than Haley did all season.

I wanted Haley gone. I am fine with Cassel leaving. I just don't think that Orton is any better.

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