In big win, Chiefs find a leader in Romeo Crennel

Originally Posted by Omega

The Chiefs once lobbied openly for Frank Gansz to be their head coach.

Worked out well.

They absolutely did not. Lamar Hunt met in secret with 8 players at Nick Lowery's house. Gansz was given the job just in time for the strike of 1987 and was saddled with most of Mackovic's assistants who were disloyal and downright underhanded. He also had an awful front office led by GM Jim Schaaf, a baseball man who somehow managed to work his way up through the ranks of the Chiefs organization in the 70's. Injuries, bad personnel decisions, the strike, and being thrown under the bus by a former assistant ruined Gansz's 2-year campaign as a Skipper. After a 4-win 1988, Carl Peterson sent him packing as his first power move after being handed the reins by Lamar.

Even if you construe that to be "openly lobbying", it doesn't have a single thing to do with Crennel. Gansz was an amazing coach and there really aren't many people who would say otherwise. You can't look at his W/L record under Schaaf and the many other circumstances which permeated his time in KC and say "look how that turned out" as though he were a Herm Edwards, Paul Wiggin, or Todd Haley.

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Originally Posted by Phobia

Even if you construe that to be "openly lobbying", it doesn't have a single thing to do with Crennel.

Sure it does.

Players don't always know what's best for them.

The Chiefs loved Herm when he was here, too. Worked out well.

If we hire Crennel as HC it will be a complete waste of everyone's time.

Originally Posted by Omega

Players don't always know what's best for them.

Agree.

The Chiefs loved Herm when he was here, too. Worked out well.

Who except the jilted fans of the Chiefs and Jets doesn't like Herm? He's a likable, charismatic guy who says things people like to hear. He's like the black Dick Vermeil.

If we hire Crennel as HC it will be a complete waste of everyone's time.

Not sure how you can say this with such certainty at this point.

You're referencing past events as though what happened then will most definitely repeat itself now even though the circumstances are completely different. You seem to dislike Crennel because he's old. Which is ridiculous because I could point out that Dick Vermeil won a SuperBowl when he was older than Romeo. But I recognize that there are really no parallels between Dick Vermeil and Romeo Crennel other than age. In short, you don't know jack but you run around here talking out your ass as if you're some kind of expert on all things Chiefs and the NFL. You're basically Mecca without the mullet.

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Originally Posted by Phobia

Agree.


Who except the jilted fans of the Chiefs and Jets doesn't like Herm? He's a likable, charismatic guy who says things people like to hear. He's like the black Dick Vermeil.


Not sure how you can say this with such certainty at this point.

You're referencing past events as though what happened then will most definitely repeat itself now even though the circumstances are completely different. You seem to dislike Crennel because he's old. Which is ridiculous because I could point out that Dick Vermeil won a SuperBowl when he was older than Romeo. But I recognize that there are really no parallels between Dick Vermeil and Romeo Crennel other than age. In short, you don't know jack but you run around here talking out your ass as if you're some kind of expert on all things Chiefs and the NFL. You're basically Mecca without the mullet.

Find me a 64-year old interim head coach who went on to win a SB.

If Crennel is our HC and actually wins a SB here it will shock everyone in the NFL. It would be unprecedented.

Sorry for being concerned when 50 years of NFL history says this won't work out.

And FYI, Dick was younger than Romeo when he won it.

Originally Posted by Omega

Find me a 64-year old interim head coach who went on to win a SB.

If Crennel is our HC and actually wins a SB here it will shock everyone in the NFL. It would be unprecedented.

Sorry for being concerned when 50 years of NFL history says this won't work out.

And FYI, Dick was younger than Romeo when he won it.

50 years of NFL history says that a QB won't throw a TD in 41 consecutive games either. 50 years of NFL history says that nobody will touch Tom Dempsey's 63 yard FG.
Weeb Ewbank, Tom Coughlin, and Dick Vermeil all won SuperBowls in their 60's. Dick was 63ish when he won it with the Rams.

I'm not even certain I want Crennel coaching the Chiefs in 2012 yet but your thought process is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Phobia

50 years of NFL history says that a QB won't throw a TD in 41 consecutive games either. 50 years of NFL history says that nobody will touch Tom Dempsey's 63 yard FG.

You're comparing apples to oranges. Individual records are bound to fall.

You can bring up other old head coaches but that's not really an argument for Romeo. All those guys were proven head coaches.

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Originally Posted by Omega

You're comparing apples to oranges.

That's what you did when you compared the current situation to what happened with Gantz and the players 25 years ago.

Originally Posted by Omega

You're comparing apples to oranges. Individual records are bound to fall.

You can bring up other old head coaches but that's not really an argument for Romeo. All those guys were proven head coaches.

Keep moving the goalposts, Clay. You told me to find old SuperBowl winning coaches. I gave you three. But that doesn't meet with your agenda so it's not good enough. Do you even realize you do that? It's like debating with a teenager.

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Originally Posted by Omega

Find me a 64-year old interim head coach who went on to win a SB.

If Crennel is our HC and actually wins a SB here it will shock everyone in the NFL. It would be unprecedented.

Sorry for being concerned when 50 years of NFL history says this won't work out.

And FYI, Dick was younger than Romeo when he won it.

Theres a first time for everything.

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Originally Posted by Oh Snap

Theres a first time for everything.

This is no different than saying we can win a SB with Cassel.

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Originally Posted by Phobia

They absolutely did not. Lamar Hunt met in secret with 8 players at Nick Lowery's house. Gansz was given the job just in time for the strike of 1987 and was saddled with most of Mackovic's assistants who were disloyal and downright underhanded. He also had an awful front office led by GM Jim Schaaf, a baseball man who somehow managed to work his way up through the ranks of the Chiefs organization in the 70's. Injuries, bad personnel decisions, the strike, and being thrown under the bus by a former assistant ruined Gansz's 2-year campaign as a Skipper. After a 4-win 1988, Carl Peterson sent him packing as his first power move after being handed the reins by Lamar.

Even if you construe that to be "openly lobbying", it doesn't have a single thing to do with Crennel. Gansz was an amazing coach and there really aren't many people who would say otherwise. You can't look at his W/L record under Schaaf and the many other circumstances which permeated his time in KC and say "look how that turned out" as though he were a Herm Edwards, Paul Wiggin, or Todd Haley.

Gansz was an amazing ST's coach. There is nothing else to proof otherwise nor more.