what's with all the Orton isn't the answer talk?

[wutamess]

OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me.

I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid.

I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton.

I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I can't believe how much people make of one good game.

You need a QB that can carry the team into the playoffs. The Falcons had something like 8 playoff appearances in 40 years. They draft Ryan and now they are in every year and have a decent chance of winning some games.

KC NEEDS TO DESPERATELY DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO DRAFT A POTENTIAL FRANCHISE QB AND PLAY THE KID. WORRY ABOUT ORTON, CASSEL, HASSELBACK, MCNABB OR WHOEVER ELSE AFTER YOU DRAFT THE QBOTF.

You have to worry about Orton/Cassel NOW.

Because if they're going with Cassel, there is no QBotF in April. I still firmly believe that Pioli thinks CASSEL is the future.

With Orton, it's a pretty obvious stop-gap move.

[durtyrute]

Originally Posted by Shox

Giving away draft picks to move up when you still have holes to fill for a QB who might be Ryan Leaf, David Carr, etc etc is stupid.

If we had the Oline fixed, a nose tackle, ILB, another pass rusher and a RB to complement Charles. Sure give all our picks to get one of the top 2 QBs....but we don't.

Sign Orton to a 2-3 year deal and keep looking for the next Tom Brady later in draft. Orton is still young and seems to still be improving. He will make us a playoff caliber team at the worst and who knows he might be a Gannon or Simms type QB and get to a superbowl.

I agree with most of this. I don't like the idea of giving away picks to move up for anyone. We have no idea how they will play in the NFL. Plus, we still have some holes to fill. I'd say keep Orton (Cassel and Palko exit stage left) and go BPA in the draft. If it's a QB in the first, great, if not find one later. Then next year roll with Orton while Stanzi and QBX sit and watch. In two years, QB comp between QBX and Stanzi and we roll with the winner.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by durtyrute

I agree with most of this. I don't like the idea of giving away picks to move up for anyone. We have no idea how they will play in the NFL. Plus, we still have some holes to fill. I'd say keep Orton (Cassel and Palko exit stage left) and go BPA in the draft. If it's a QB in the first, great, if not find one later. Then next year roll with Orton while Stanzi and QBX sit and watch. In two years, QB comp between QBX and Stanzi and we roll with the winner.

We also have no idea how the combined multiple picks (however many) used ot move up will play in the NFL. It's all uncertain. You're using the excuse of uncertainty to not give up uncertainty. It's completely illogical.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by wutamess

Not ready to throw the draft at a #1 QB when we have so many O-Line needs.

there is not a facepalm in the universe large enough to adequately respond to this....


jesus facepalm christ, we'll spend 30 years drafting OL, but never not even once a QB...BECAUSE IT WORKS SO WELL THAT WAY RIGHT?

i don't even care if you kill yourself at this point because I'm going to off myself anyways...

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Shox

Giving away draft picks to move up when you still have holes to fill for a QB who might be Ryan Leaf, David Carr, etc etc is stupid.

If we had the Oline fixed, a nose tackle, ILB, another pass rusher and a RB to complement Charles. Sure give all our picks to get one of the top 2 QBs....but we don't.

Sign Orton to a 2-3 year deal and keep looking for the next Tom Brady later in draft. Orton is still young and seems to still be improving. He will make us a playoff caliber team at the worst and who knows he might be a Gannon or Simms type QB and get to a superbowl.

Let's play a game. Rearrange the following words to form a complete sentence:

A

GO

FIRE

IN

DIE

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

You have to worry about Orton/Cassel NOW.

Because if they're going with Cassel, there is no QBotF in April. I still firmly believe that Pioli thinks CASSEL is the future.

With Orton, it's a pretty obvious stop-gap move.

I don't know how you could come to the conclusion that management views Orton as a stop gap but Cassel as a long term solution. They are very similar.

[RealSNR]

DID YOU IDIOT ****ING TRUE FANS SEE THE GODDAMN OFFENSIVE LINE PLAY YESTERDAY?

****!

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by SNR

DID YOU IDIOT ****ING TRUE FANS SEE THE GODDAMN OFFENSIVE LINE PLAY YESTERDAY?

****!

It's been obvious to me that Cassel doesn't read a defense quickly enough and/or stays with one receiver too long. People were talking about the offensive line being so horrible after that Miami debacle. But I contend that a lot of that you can blame on the QB play (due to poor read/recognition skills) and not the offensive line.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I don't know how you could come to the conclusion that management views Orton as a stop gap but Cassel as a long term solution. They are very similar.

Orton was acquired off waivers, after the trade deadline.

The other required the trading of a 2nd round pick and a $67M contract.

The 2 QBs are definitely similar but their situations couldn't be more different.

[Beef Supreme]

Anything but Cassel is my new mantra. Stop gap, draft pick, free agent, I don't care.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Orton was acquired off waivers, after the trade deadline.

The other required the trading of a 2nd round pick and a $67M contract.

The 2 QBs are definitely similar but their situations couldn't be more different.

I think how Cassel was acquired 3 years ago is largely irrelevant. Pioli knows he has 1 more chance to make things better or lose his job and forever be known as the guy who hung on Belichick's coattails. I don't think the original contract is a factor anymore.

[tecumseh]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Cut C@$$hole and Palko.

Resign Orton to a 3 year deal.

Draft the best QB we can trade up for...

Put me down for one of these. Cassel will probably still be on the roster, though ,at #2.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by wutamess

OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me.

I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid.

I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton.

I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!

With fans like this, who needs Raider trolls?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Omega

The only thing I will say in Orton's defense:

He never had a running game AND a defense in Denver.

The Broncos were 18th in rushing and 7th in defense his first year.

His second year they were 26th in rushing and 32nd in defense.

In KC he will most likely have a top 10 running game and top 15 defense next season.

A top 10 defense and a mediocre running game with a legitimate #1 receiver should be more than enough for any quality QB to make a run, not finish 8-8.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I think how Cassel was acquired 3 years ago is largely irrelevant. Pioli knows he has 1 more chance to make things better or lose his job and forever be known as the guy who hung on Belichick's coattails. I don't think the original contract is a factor anymore.

That could very well be true.

It also could be true that Pioli is SO consumed by the need to prove himself that he's going to ride Cassel all the way to the bottom, no matter what.