Chiefs what's with all the Orton isn't the answer talk? - Page 10

wutamess · 12-20-2011, 08:30 AM

OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me.

I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid.

I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton.

I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!

vailpass · 12-20-2011, 01:34 PM

Orton is definitely the answer for KC at QB. If the Chiefs can sign Orton they should do it, even if they have to win a bidding war with another team.

whoman69 · 12-20-2011, 01:35 PM

I don't really think anyone truly believes Orton to be a long term answer. He's more of the Kreig, Bono, Grbac retread mode. I think you need a good backup like Orton on the team, but that's really all he is.

chiefscafan · 12-20-2011, 01:40 PM

We need both NT and ILB. I think a rookie ILB can make an impact quicker than a NT. Heck we might have him in powe.

Buckweath · 12-20-2011, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega

The only thing I will say in Orton's defense:

He never had a running game AND a defense in Denver.

The Broncos were 18th in rushing and 7th in defense his first year.

His second year they were 26th in rushing and 32nd in defense.

In KC he will most likely have a top 10 running game and top 15 defense next season.

FAIL! We don`t want of a QB who needs a good running game and a good defense to perform. We want one of those QBs that can actually do a good job without a running game and a stout defense. That`s why we have to trade up to get that top QB prospect that might be one of those QBs.

**RealSNR** · 12-20-2011, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Orton is definitely the answer for KC at QB. If the Chiefs can sign Orton they should do it, even if they have to win a bidding war with another team.

You, sir, are good. You are very good.

htismaqe · 12-20-2011, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefscafan

We need both NT and ILB. I think a rookie ILB can make an impact quicker than a NT. Heck we might have him in powe.

If Powe is the answer at NT, then Belcher is the answer at ILB.

ILB is WAY down on the list of needs, sorry.

Chiefnj2 · 12-20-2011, 01:55 PM

It's the player, not the position.

DBOSHO · 12-20-2011, 01:57 PM

I dont think Orton can be a top 5 quarterback, but with the weapons around him and this defense with Berry back, we can be a contender.

FlaChief58 · 12-20-2011, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega

There's a reason Broncos fans hated him.

Pressure mostly turns him into a puddle of goo.

This and he throws a shitload of picks and he has a hard time finishing drives. That said, I'm good with him as a stopgap until our QBOTF is ready to go.

**bevischief** · 12-20-2011, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO

I dont think Orton can be a top 5 quarterback, but with the weapons around him and this defense with Berry back, we can be a contender.

More of a contender with Orton than with Cassel.

htismaqe · 12-20-2011, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

It's the player, not the position.

He's not good enough to make it about "the player, not the position".

He's being projected right now between 1-25 and 1-30. We'll be picking much higher than that, even if we win out.

bricks · 12-20-2011, 02:13 PM

If the Chiefs win out, that puts them in a position to not draft a quarterback.

All those guys, Luck, Griffin III, and Barkley are going top 10.

The only guy that may be available is Tannehill.

I don't see the Chiefs trading up to try and get either Luck, Barkley, or Griffin III. It's just gonna involve too much compensation. Do they go with Tannehill if he falls to them? I don't know.

But one thing is for certain, and I may get bashed for saying this, they could use an offensive lineman. Wiegmann is old, Lilja could be replaced, Richardson needs to be shown the door because we all know he ain't even adequate enough.

Realistically, you have to think Oline. Its the reality and the nature of how things may be played out for this franchise. I think there will be some Olineman available when the Chiefs pick.

Sorry guys. Just being a realist here.

KC_Lee · 12-20-2011, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bricks

If the Chiefs win out, that puts them in a position to not draft a quarterback.

All those guys, Luck, Griffin III, and Barkley are going top 10.

The only guy that may be available is Tannehill.

I don't see the Chiefs trading up to try and get either Luck, Barkley, or Griffin III. It's just gonna involve too much compensation. Do they go with Tannehill if he falls to them? I don't know.

But one thing is for certain, and I may get bashed for saying this, they could use an offensive lineman. Wiegmann is old, Lilja could be replaced, Richardson needs to be shown the door because we all know he ain't even adequate enough.

Realistically, you have to think Oline. Its the reality and the nature of how things may be played out for this franchise. I think there will be some Olineman available when the Chiefs pick.

Sorry guys. Just being a realist here.

But we could pick up Landry Jones!!!

http://walterfootball.com/draft2012.php

DaWolf · 12-20-2011, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bricks

If the Chiefs win out, that puts them in a position to not draft a quarterback.

All those guys, Luck, Griffin III, and Barkley are going top 10.

The only guy that may be available is Tannehill.

I don't see the Chiefs trading up to try and get either Luck, Barkley, or Griffin III. It's just gonna involve too much compensation. Do they go with Tannehill if he falls to them? I don't know.

But one thing is for certain, and I may get bashed for saying this, they could use an offensive lineman. Wiegmann is old, Lilja could be replaced, Richardson needs to be shown the door because we all know he ain't even adequate enough.

Realistically, you have to think Oline. Its the reality and the nature of how things may be played out for this franchise. I think there will be some Olineman available when the Chiefs pick.

Sorry guys. Just being a realist here.

We need to have one of those lucky years where a guy like Aaron Rodgers plummets down the board and into our laps...

vailpass · 12-20-2011, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

You, sir, are good. You are very good.

And I'd have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids.

12-20-2011, 08:30 AM
wutamess MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Lee's Summit Casino cash: $4711637	what's with all the Orton isn't the answer talk? OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me. I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid. I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton. I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!
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12-20-2011, 02:13 PM	#147
bricks Hey Teacher! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: land of maple syrup Casino cash: $9732559	If the Chiefs win out, that puts them in a position to not draft a quarterback. All those guys, Luck, Griffin III, and Barkley are going top 10. The only guy that may be available is Tannehill. I don't see the Chiefs trading up to try and get either Luck, Barkley, or Griffin III. It's just gonna involve too much compensation. Do they go with Tannehill if he falls to them? I don't know. But one thing is for certain, and I may get bashed for saying this, they could use an offensive lineman. Wiegmann is old, Lilja could be replaced, Richardson needs to be shown the door because we all know he ain't even adequate enough. Realistically, you have to think Oline. Its the reality and the nature of how things may be played out for this franchise. I think there will be some Olineman available when the Chiefs pick. Sorry guys. Just being a realist here.
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