what's with all the Orton isn't the answer talk?

[wutamess]

OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me.

I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid.

I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton.

I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!

[milkman]

Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Im sorry. I was basing it on more than one game. Also left a link up so you could look at the numbers for yourself. I recommend you check out how each lineman grades out as well.

You dont have to take my word for it. The proof is easy to find (if youre willing to see it). Some are so invested in tyhier opinion, the obvious has become a rare affair.

I don't really care about whatever numbers you provided.

I don't understand how you can watch Cassel and reach the conclusion he isn't among the worst in the league, especially after seeing how much better a mediocre QB performed, and how much better the O-Line performed with that mediocre QB.

[CrazyHorse]

Originally Posted by whoman69

Cassel 25th in rating (76.6), 28th in YPA (6.37), 28th in yards per game (190), 20th in completion % (59.5).

The numbers I used were from 2010. Those are that is what the arguements in this thread were based on. Hid comp% was lower and he had his run game and the line played better. This line wouldnt place 25th this season. It would be lower Im sure. He was 25th in rating then too. 16th yards per game.

We need a better QB no matter how you slice it.

[Extra Point]

With all this bullshit talk about Orton crumbling in the redzone, if all our plays were running Battle on the diagonal after getting there, we would have had 4-11 more points than last game.

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

The numbers I used were from 2010. Those are that is what the arguements in this thread were based on. Hid comp% was lower and he had his run game and the line played better. This line wouldnt place 25th this season. It would be lower Im sure. He was 25th in rating then too. 16th yards per game.

We need a better QB no matter how you slice it.

for 2010 he was 24th in YPG (207.7), 8th in passing rating (93.0).

[CrazyHorse]

Originally Posted by milkman

I don't really care about whatever numbers you provided.

I don't understand how you can watch Cassel and reach the conclusion he isn't among the worst in the league, especially after seeing how much better a mediocre QB performed, and how much better the O-Line performed with that mediocre QB.

There are variables. Besides, Im not sure where you read that I said he was a good QB. But I didnt. I did say he made the team better than the O line graded out.

Play calling was much different in the last game. Downfield passes were thrown. We didnt go into a shell with a 3 point lead. Those were also reasons for our success. However, that line couldnt get us in the end zone from the 5 on 4 occasions.

If you had better reading skills and werent soooooo invested in the Cassel BS around here, you would see that I agree that we need a new Qb. Just not willing to say he's the only thing wrong with the offense. Blaming all our problems on one guy is just lazy and shows little football knowledge.

Did you notice we had a different coach on Sunday too? Yes. Things looked a little different.

[Extra Point]

Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Did you notice we had a different coach on Sunday too? Yes. Things looked a little different.

This!

[CrazyHorse]

Originally Posted by whoman69

for 2010 he was 24th in YPG (207.7), 8th in passing rating (93.0).

Not according to the nfl.com link I posted. But okay.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

There are variables. Besides, Im not sure where you read that I said he was a good QB. But I didnt. I did say he made the team better than the O line graded out.

Play calling was much different in the last game. Downfield passes were thrown. We didnt go into a shell with a 3 point lead. Those were also reasons for our success. However, that line couldnt get us in the end zone from the 5 on 4 occasions.

If you had better reading skills and werent soooooo invested in the Cassel BS around here, you would see that I aggree that we need a new Qb. Just not willing to say he's the only thing wtrong with the offense. Blamingh all our problems on one guy is just lazy and shows little football knowledge.

Did you notice we had a different coach on Sunday too? Yes. Things looked a little different.

The O-Line graded out so poorly because Matt Cassel is a terrible QB.

He hold the ball to long, delivers it late and inaccurately.

We went downfield in this game because Orton, a mediocre QB, at best, can actually make reads and make the throws.

If Cassel's first read downfield isn't open, he either dumps it off to his safety valve, or holds the ball and takes a sack or runs from pressure.

[Ming the Merciless]

If orton is the answer what is the question

[CrazyHorse]

Originally Posted by milkman

The O-Line graded out so poorly because Matt Cassel is a terrible QB.

He hold the ball to long, delivers it late and inaccurately.

We went downfield in this game because Orton, a mediocre QB, at best, can actually make reads and make the throws.

If Cassel's first read downfield isn't open, he either dumps it off to his safety valve, or holds the ball and takes a sack or runs from pressure.

Uh huh.

He probably gives Brandon Albert the wrong snap count once or twice a game just to draw attention away from himself.

I hear he leaves the toilet seat up too.

That mother****er is no good on any level.

You're kind of a one trick pony, aint ya?

Good night.

[Garcia Bronco]

Be weary of looking at Orton's 2010 stats. 25 percent was garbage time stats.

[CrazyHorse]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Be weary of looking at Orton's 2010 stats. 25 percent was garbage time stats.

After McDaniels got done with that roster, all time was garbage time.

Now it's Tebow time.

Same difference.

[Extra Point]

Originally Posted by milkman

The O-Line graded out so poorly because Matt Cassel is a terrible QB.

He hold the ball to long, delivers it late and inaccurately.

We went downfield in this game because Orton, a mediocre QB, at best, can actually make reads and make the throws.

If Cassel's first read downfield isn't open, he either dumps it off to his safety valve, or holds the ball and takes a sack or runs from pressure.

The O-line graded poorly because of micro-managing, clueless, head-coaching. Haley's off-the-cuff actions, without any half-time adjustments, got him canned. The O-line stats, he can glue with shit, in his scrapbook.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Uh huh.

He probably gives Brandon Albert the wrong snap count once or twice a game just to draw attention away from himself.

I hear he leaves the toilet seat up too.

That mother****er is no good on any level.

You're kind of a one trick pony, aint ya?

Good night.

Good God, man. Learn a little about pre-snap adjustments and a QB that can actually read a D.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Uh huh.

He probably gives Brandon Albert the wrong snap count once or twice a game just to draw attention away from himself.

I hear he leaves the toilet seat up too.

That mother****er is no good on any level.

You're kind of a one trick pony, aint ya?

Good night.

Do a quick search of O-line play throughout the league, you'll find that teams with good QBs have fewer false start penalties than teams with bad QBs.

So, yes, Cassel does have an affect.