Zorn was the one calling plays against GB

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Or he got "Casseled"

Cassel sucks shit; it would take an act of impressive obliviousness to argue otherwise, but Haley was still the one extracting prime shit juice from a three-month-old turd, marinated in a "well-devised" training program.

Face it, Haley is an OC at best. At ****ing best. More than likely he's a glorified water boy on a SB winning team--he'd be the one working on the players' short game.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Cassel sucks shit; it would take an act of impressive obliviousness to argue otherwise, but Haley was still the one extracting prime shit juice from a three-month-old turd, marinated in a "well-devised" training program.

Face it, Haley is an OC at best. At ****ing best. More than likely he's a glorified water boy on a SB winning team--he'd be the one working on the players' short game.

We will never see eye to eye on this point.

I see a long list of players that wanted to play for him and respect him that goes way back. A guy that Kurt Warner credited with running an offense that redirected his career and got him back to another superbowl.

We have a team that has been developing every drop of talent it has to the absolute fullest.

I will ALWAYS think that Haley got a raw deal in getting fired in an unsinkable situation.

Pioli let Shaun Smith leave.
Moeaki, Berry Charles.
Handcuffing to Cassel is like tossing a guy in the ocean with a 50 pound lead weight strapped to each foot and then telling everyone it was his fault he drowned. "he should have swam harder"

Give Haley those three back and even an average quarterback like Orton to start the year and how many wins would we have right now?

That's a legit question.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Give Haley those three back and even an average quarterback like Orton to start the year and how many wins would we have right now?

That's a legit question.

Less than we'd have with a competent HC. 4-8-28. Never forget.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BossChief

We will never see eye to eye on this point.

I see a long list of players that wanted to play for him and respect him that goes way back. A guy that Kurt Warner credited with running an offense that redirected his career and got him back to another superbowl.

We have a team that has been developing every drop of talent it has to the absolute fullest.

I will ALWAYS think that Haley got a raw deal in getting fired in an unsinkable situation.

Pioli let Shaun Smith leave.
Moeaki, Berry Charles.
Handcuffing to Cassel is like tossing a guy in the ocean with a 50 pound lead weight strapped to each foot and then telling everyone it was his fault he drowned. "he should have swam harder"

Give Haley those three back and even an average quarterback like Orton to start the year and how many wins would we have right now?

That's a legit question.

Fully agree. I think its sounding like Haley made some mistakes. But he brought discipline to a team who had none and coached up the crappy talent he had.

I still wonder how he fares with a gm that isn't an egotistical prick.

As for offensive guru... I still think he built a conservative offense because of the qb.

I don't know what his upside was. But I think it's a bit unfair to criticize him because he couldnt build a team around cassel.

[kc hopeful]

With Zorn and Orton our offense was playing at another level. The ball was spread around to 10 different receivers. We converted on 3rd downs?! It inspired the running game. McClain was being better utilized. OL scheme was effective. Coulda and shoulda scored even more........I like it!