ChiefsPlanet DraftPlanet/CasinoPlanet: A Proposal - Page 8

**DaFace** · 01-02-2012, 07:25 PM

Every year, we have the debate about when (and if) Draft Planet and Casino Planet should be hidden from the top and when (and if) they should be brought back. This has all been discussed ad nauseum around here, so I won't reiterate everything, but the basic idea is that there's not a LOT of talk in the regular season about the draft (though there is some), and there's not a LOT of talk in the offseason about fantasy sports (though there is some). So, it would be nice to have them both available year-round, but doing so adds another subforum to an already large list at the top of the Lounge. (Yes, you can hide them, but 90% of people don't, and they'd still be there for guests and the like.)

After a brief chat about it in the mod forum, we'd like to propose that the two forums be combined into one, but left up year-round. We'll add prefixes to the forum so that the different topics can be distinguished from each other and filtered if desired. It won't be the cleanest combination ever, but I think it'll be manageable given that people are already used to the hodgepodge of topics they sort through in the Lounge anyway and that the activity in those forums is comparatively low anyway.

Anyway, this thread is mainly to see if there are any strong objections to doing so. I might add a poll to this thread later if necessary, but the current thinking is that we'll do it unless a bunch of people hate it.

Discus.

Brock · 01-03-2012, 11:25 AM

I've never understood why the draft forum isn't on all the time. (stickied 24/7/365)

There should be a FF forum also. (in-season stickied)

**ChiefGator** · 01-03-2012, 11:30 AM

My vote would be to keep them seperate. They feel like very different topics to me. Once is mainstream, albiet very focused, football discussion and the other is fantasy football.

When someone posts a "What do you think about this draft?" thread without the proper tag, noone will know if it is a fantasy draft or a suggested Chief's draft.

Yeah, I get that they generally have different seasons, but my vote is to keep them and good and seperate. A little space used up at the top when you first come into the site doesn't seem like a good enough reason to combine them.

Is the fear that newbies will wander in and think the site only has four posts in the last month by accidently falling into a subforum?

**Dartgod** · 01-03-2012, 11:40 AM

I didn't even know what the default settings were. I have the DC forum hidden, but didn't really know what view the guests get.

SO I logged out and see that by default, the draft forum is hidden but the DC forum is not? What kind of ****ed up logic is that?

Now that I've had time to think about this, I think that the draft and FF/Gambling forums should remain separate. The default view for anyone should be Media Center, Draft Forum and FF/Gambling, with the latter turned off during the offseason.

**DaFace** · 01-03-2012, 11:57 AM

Lemme try and catch Kyle via IM to chat about the tech side of "hiding" forums by default. If we can make that work and only have a handful shown by default, I'm OK with leaving them separate and "available" year-round.

**Dartgod** · 01-03-2012, 11:58 AM

What about DC? Why is that one in plain view while a legitimate football sub-forum is hidden?

patteeu · 01-03-2012, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod

What about DC? Why is that one in plain view while a legitimate football sub-forum is hidden?

Because it's the most heavily used subforum?

**DaFace** · 01-03-2012, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

Because it's the most heavily used subforum?

Yeah, pretty much. DC, Media Center, and Pictures all have volume WAY above Draft Planet and Casino Planet, so they're all shown year-round. Historically, the latter two share time.

**Dartgod** · 01-03-2012, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

Because it's the most heavily used subforum?

Heavily using would certainly describe the majority of the posters in there.

Personally, I have no stake in either. I hide the DC forum and never venture in there. I rarely read the draft forum and never post there.

I just thought it was odd that we hide a football subforum and leave that cesspool in plain view.

Direckshun · 01-03-2012, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

It takes 2 seconds to set the prefix, and you can probably bookmark it so you would never have to see the casino prefixes. There might be a user-level hack where we could hide certain prefixes for a certain user, but I'd have to look into that.

Personally, I think football sub-forums on a football board are ridiculous... and while I care about the draft, I don't care for all the speculation and mocks. I care about discussing needs and prospects, but don't care to speculate about the same small group of players for several months leading up to the draft. However, I do think the amount of mock drafts and 'who should I start' can be a bit much, so I understand why there's a separate forum.

And sure, it's something worth talking about pretty much year round... the first page of Draft Planet basically goes back to the beginning of November. If we combined the two right now, it would basically push everything from DraftPlanet off the first page that was before 12/25, but the first post on the 2nd page would be from 12/20, then 12/15.

For CasinoPlanet, there were two threads posted between 2/24/11 and 8/4. There are 8 pages from August until now, where DraftPlanet has 2 between 5/29/11 and now. That's almost no overlap. If you're there everyday or even once a week, I'd think you would never have to click the 2nd page or use prefixes to catch all new replies in the combined forum. The biggest overlap will probably be Dec/Jan.

Once again.

I started a mock draft thread. WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT.

It consolidates all the mocks and allows for draft conversation to flow freely.

Then a mod moved it.

To an unrelated forum.

Why would you do that, then continually bring up these bullshit complaints? Shall I dig it up from Casino Planet?

Direckshun · 01-03-2012, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

Wow. I don't know what to say to this. I have no idea what you expected to accomplish with this post. I'm pretty sure this wasn't even directed at me but it still pisses me off. If you want your ideas to make this place more suitable for yourself then consider this thread an invitation to voice your ideas. I personally guarantee coming in with an attitude somewhat similar to that of my ex-wife will get you exactly nowhere.

Stop acting like victims of my pissy behavior.

It's been prompted by years of mods not giving two shits about the biggest influx of talent this team has: the draft.

Direckshun · 01-03-2012, 05:57 PM

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=249500

Above is the mock draft thread idea I started.

Which was started with the EXACT SAME goals that the mods keep complaining about here, i.e. too many mock draft threads.

The thread was promptly moved to the Casino forum.

Explanations, anybody? Any reason why we're complaining about too many mock threads when a designated mock thread was moved without so much as an explanation?

I'm going to let this be my last post on the subject, before the conversation goes in unproductive areas. I've said my piece.

But this is really, really crappy.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-03-2012, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

DraftPlanet would have more threads posted in it during the college season if it was on top. For whatever reason it seems to be the bastard subforum on here. The thing about DraftPlanet its not really just about the Chiefs, you get the whole broad spectrum of the NFL discussed in it. Its basically the purest football talk on this board, with not much trolling at all to be honest. It is a board that with all the resources and different insight the posters on here bring, is one of the best in all of pro-football. CP Mock Draft is the best thread of the year on the entire board, its pure football and with the expection of Hootie making an ass of himself generally troll free.

My suggestion would be to put the Fantasy Football and Gambling section in the Media Center and rename that entire thing - Entertainment Center since that is what Fantasy Football and Gambling is more than the DraftPlanet. Then DraftPlanet can stay in the spot where the Casino is year-round.

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Again what is the problem with leaving it up year around? Other than the summer months, the draft can really be talked about all year - especially during college season.

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Originally Posted by Brock

I've never understood why the draft forum isn't on all the time. (stickied 24/7/365)

There should be a FF forum also. (in-season stickied)

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Originally Posted by Dartgod

I didn't even know what the default settings were. I have the DC forum hidden, but didn't really know what view the guests get.

SO I logged out and see that by default, the draft forum is hidden but the DC forum is not? What kind of ****ed up logic is that?

Now that I've had time to think about this, I think that the draft and FF/Gambling forums should remain separate. The default view for anyone should be Media Center, Draft Forum and FF/Gambling, with the latter turned off during the offseason.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dartgod

What about DC? Why is that one in plain view while a legitimate football sub-forum is hidden?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dartgod

Heavily using would certainly describe the majority of the posters in there.

Personally, I have no stake in either. I hide the DC forum and never venture in there. I rarely read the draft forum and never post there.

I just thought it was odd that we hide a football subforum and leave that cesspool in plain view.

I'm quoting these posts to show my agreement with their content.

Direckshun · 01-03-2012, 06:03 PM

I want to apologize for my tone throughout the thread.

I don't mean to come off as a dick. As a rule, I try to save that for the DC forum.

I just feel like submerging my favorite forum on ChiefsPlanet robs the Planet of the full football experience.

I've been rebuffed numerous times and largely ignored on this issue for years now. It's just built up the frustration and boom, here you have it.

**DaFace** · 01-03-2012, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I want to apologize for my tone throughout the thread.

I don't mean to come off as a dick. As a rule, I try to save that for the DC forum.

I just feel like submerging my favorite forum on ChiefsPlanet robs the Planet of the full football experience.

I've been rebuffed numerous times and largely ignored on this issue for years now. It's just built up the frustration and boom, here you have it.

I know you think I hate you and DraftPlanet both, but we're really trying to find a way to make this work without adding unnecessary clutter. That's why we posted the thread.

**Buck** · 01-03-2012, 06:05 PM

I just wanted to show you something from PatriotsPlanet

I took a screen grab from their main football forum and their version of the lounge.

First of all, their header is about an inch larger than CP's. And they have 5 stickies at all times, meaning their members have to scroll for...1 SECOND (the horror) to get to see what they want. So wtf is the big deal with adding 1 more subforum up top?

01-02-2012, 07:25 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $-1893101	DraftPlanet/CasinoPlanet: A Proposal Every year, we have the debate about when (and if) Draft Planet and Casino Planet should be hidden from the top and when (and if) they should be brought back. This has all been discussed ad nauseum around here, so I won't reiterate everything, but the basic idea is that there's not a LOT of talk in the regular season about the draft (though there is some), and there's not a LOT of talk in the offseason about fantasy sports (though there is some). So, it would be nice to have them both available year-round, but doing so adds another subforum to an already large list at the top of the Lounge. (Yes, you can hide them, but 90% of people don't, and they'd still be there for guests and the like.) After a brief chat about it in the mod forum, we'd like to propose that the two forums be combined into one, but left up year-round. We'll add prefixes to the forum so that the different topics can be distinguished from each other and filtered if desired. It won't be the cleanest combination ever, but I think it'll be manageable given that people are already used to the hodgepodge of topics they sort through in the Lounge anyway and that the activity in those forums is comparatively low anyway. Anyway, this thread is mainly to see if there are any strong objections to doing so. I might add a poll to this thread later if necessary, but the current thinking is that we'll do it unless a bunch of people hate it. Discus.
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01-03-2012, 11:25 AM	#106
Brock Say hello to my little friend Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Larryville Casino cash: $9598422	I've never understood why the draft forum isn't on all the time. (stickied 24/7/365) There should be a FF forum also. (in-season stickied)
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01-03-2012, 11:30 AM	#107
ChiefGator Can these boys not play? Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Northcentral Florida Casino cash: $6452956	My vote would be to keep them seperate. They feel like very different topics to me. Once is mainstream, albiet very focused, football discussion and the other is fantasy football. When someone posts a "What do you think about this draft?" thread without the proper tag, noone will know if it is a fantasy draft or a suggested Chief's draft. Yeah, I get that they generally have different seasons, but my vote is to keep them and good and seperate. A little space used up at the top when you first come into the site doesn't seem like a good enough reason to combine them. Is the fear that newbies will wander in and think the site only has four posts in the last month by accidently falling into a subforum? __________________ - Mark
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01-03-2012, 11:40 AM	#108
Dartgod Wasted away again... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: in Margaritaville Casino cash: $3580000	I didn't even know what the default settings were. I have the DC forum hidden, but didn't really know what view the guests get. SO I logged out and see that by default, the draft forum is hidden but the DC forum is not? What kind of ****ed up logic is that? Now that I've had time to think about this, I think that the draft and FF/Gambling forums should remain separate. The default view for anyone should be Media Center, Draft Forum and FF/Gambling, with the latter turned off during the offseason. __________________ If you shed a tear for me, please make it a tear of joy. -Joe Tracy (Nzoner) . .
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01-03-2012, 11:57 AM	#109
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $-1893101	Lemme try and catch Kyle via IM to chat about the tech side of "hiding" forums by default. If we can make that work and only have a handful shown by default, I'm OK with leaving them separate and "available" year-round.
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01-03-2012, 11:58 AM	#110
Dartgod Wasted away again... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: in Margaritaville Casino cash: $3580000	What about DC? Why is that one in plain view while a legitimate football sub-forum is hidden? __________________ If you shed a tear for me, please make it a tear of joy. -Joe Tracy (Nzoner) . .
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01-03-2012, 05:57 PM	#116
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=249500 Above is the mock draft thread idea I started. Which was started with the EXACT SAME goals that the mods keep complaining about here, i.e. too many mock draft threads. The thread was promptly moved to the Casino forum. Explanations, anybody? Any reason why we're complaining about too many mock threads when a designated mock thread was moved without so much as an explanation? I'm going to let this be my last post on the subject, before the conversation goes in unproductive areas. I've said my piece. But this is really, really crappy.
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01-03-2012, 06:03 PM	#118
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	I want to apologize for my tone throughout the thread. I don't mean to come off as a dick. As a rule, I try to save that for the DC forum. I just feel like submerging my favorite forum on ChiefsPlanet robs the Planet of the full football experience. I've been rebuffed numerous times and largely ignored on this issue for years now. It's just built up the frustration and boom, here you have it.
Posts: 59,693

01-03-2012, 06:05 PM	#120
Buck Take a Chill Pill Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South Carolina Casino cash: $5980295	I just wanted to show you something from PatriotsPlanet I took a screen grab from their main football forum and their version of the lounge. First of all, their header is about an inch larger than CP's. And they have 5 stickies at all times, meaning their members have to scroll for...1 SECOND (the horror) to get to see what they want. So wtf is the big deal with adding 1 more subforum up top?
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