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Old 01-03-2012, 07:54 PM   #1
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The point is, web usability has a lot to do with reducing the amount of scrolling people have to do. The stat I've heard over and over again is that users spend 80% of their time looking at content "above the fold" - in other words, above the bottom of the screen when they haven't scrolled down at all. That's undoubtedly way too high for regulars around here, but it's probably close for people visiting for the first time. Too much scrolling is irritating, and when people have to do it too much, it makes a site seem clunky and unprofessional.

I know we're not trying to make money around here, but I've always "admin-ed" around here with the #1 goal of improving usability. I know it doesn't seem like much, but I honestly think less of sites like the Orange Mane and Pats Planet when I visit just because they're not designed as well. Their color schemes, post layouts, and excessive amounts of stickies, subforums, and random youtube videos at the top of the page makes it a slower information consuming experience. My goal is to help people absorb the maximum amount of information in the quickest amount of time, which means reducing any of that crap that isn't necessary. That includes that little 1/4" of space. It's not much, but when you load a page a hundred times a day, it adds up subconsciously.

Regardless, there may be a way to make this work and let people choose on their own, so stay tuned.
the lounge displays below the fold for me on my laptop (and for many i'd assume) as is, one more forum makes no difference...

do you receive feedback from people saying they won't visit or enjoy the planet less based on there being 4 or 5 forums listed? I would find it hard to believe...in the absence of any data it's a non-issue...

you seem convinced people care about the things you care about, for reasons that can't be substantiated...

now that the draft forum has been added, my experience of the planet is...exactly the same...
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Old 01-03-2012, 08:06 PM   #2
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you seem convinced people care about the things you care about, for reasons that can't be substantiated...

now that the draft forum has been added, my experience of the planet is...exactly the same...
We don't care how many forums are up top either. We're here. We're not leaving. You're right. It doesn't change how fellow-addicts feel about their experience here. Keeping the number of sub-forums visible up top is more about staying clean and crisp for n00bs who come to visit the forum. We must remain appealing to visitors or this site will eventually dry up.
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Old 01-03-2012, 08:13 PM   #3
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We don't care how many forums are up top either. We're here. We're not leaving. You're right. It doesn't change how fellow-addicts feel about their experience here. Keeping the number of sub-forums visible up top is more about staying clean and crisp for n00bs who come to visit the forum. We must remain appealing to visitors or this site will eventually dry up.
again, this is off point...the extra forum isn't going affect people who come to a message board looking for a forum...this isn't Huffington Post...the content of the site is a level deep inside threads, users understand that, as users understand and expect the content of other types of sites to be presented differently

and of course this will be easy to confirm...if the site 'dries up' we'll know it was a mistake...but it won't have any measurable effect, if you even cared to somehow measure it...or just check the analytics...
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Old 01-03-2012, 08:21 PM   #4
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again, this is off point...the extra forum isn't going affect people who come to a message board looking for a forum...this isn't Huffington Post...the content of the site is a level deep inside threads, users understand that, as users understand and expect the content of other types of sites to be presented differently

and of course this will be easy to confirm...if the site 'dries up' we'll know it was a mistake...but it won't have any measurable effect, if you even cared to somehow measure it...or just check the analytics...
Just to clarify, are you implying that the user interface isn't important to finding and retaining users? Of course this is minor, but it's the combination of the little things that make places professional and successful. Do we have to have the OP on every thread? Of course not, but it helps to retain continuity throughout a thread. Do we have to have gray boxes on the left to separate posts from user information? Nope, but it helps to make a thread easier to read. This place is made up of hundreds and hundreds of tweaks that have been added over the years, and a minor decision like what subforums go at the top is just one of those.

Or, if none of it matters, we could always go back to this:

http://web.archive.org/web/200104191....php?forumid=1
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Old 01-03-2012, 08:27 PM   #5
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Just to clarify, are you implying that the user interface isn't important to finding and retaining users? Of course this is minor, but it's the combination of the little things that make places professional and successful. Do we have to have the OP on every thread? Of course not, but it helps to retain continuity throughout a thread. Do we have to have gray boxes on the left to separate posts from user information? Nope, but it helps to make a thread easier to read. This place is made up of hundreds and hundreds of tweaks that have been added over the years, and a minor decision like what subforums go at the top is just one of those.

Or, if none of it matters, we could always go back to this:

http://web.archive.org/web/200104191....php?forumid=1
Doesn't really help that a draft thread is the 4th thread down.
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Or, if none of it matters, we could always go back to this:

http://web.archive.org/web/200104191....php?forumid=1
1st thread: "Poll:When Will The Chiefs Get Their New Starting QB?"

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Just to clarify, are you implying that the user interface isn't important to finding and retaining users? Of course this is minor, but it's the combination of the little things that make places professional and successful. Do we have to have the OP on every thread? Of course not, but it helps to retain continuity throughout a thread. Do we have to have gray boxes on the left to separate posts from user information? Nope, but it helps to make a thread easier to read. This place is made up of hundreds and hundreds of tweaks that have been added over the years, and a minor decision like what subforums go at the top is just one of those.

Or, if none of it matters, we could always go back to this:

http://web.archive.org/web/200104191....php?forumid=1
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We don't care how many forums are up top either. We're here. We're not leaving. You're right. It doesn't change how fellow-addicts feel about their experience here. Keeping the number of sub-forums visible up top is more about staying clean and crisp for n00bs who come to visit the forum. We must remain appealing to visitors or this site will eventually dry up.
We just need to combine everything under 1 forum and re-live the good ole days
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Agreed.
I say we put it up for a vote.
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I say we put it up for a vote.
Oh, man. I think Direckshun would personally hunt me down if we eliminated Draft Planet entirely.
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Oh, man. I think Direckshun would personally hunt me down if we eliminated Draft Planet entirely.
no way the Lounge would be Draft Planet...+ Media + DC + Pictures + gambling.

It would be awesome and crazy
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the lounge displays below the fold for me on my laptop (and for many i'd assume) as is, one more forum makes no difference...

do you receive feedback from people saying they won't visit or enjoy the planet less based on there being 4 or 5 forums listed? I would find it hard to believe...in the absence of any data it's a non-issue...

you seem convinced people care about the things you care about, for reasons that can't be substantiated...

now that the draft forum has been added, my experience of the planet is...exactly the same...
I've never acted like it's a huge deal for people who are here, but cleanliness does make a difference for new users.

Also, keep in mind that the practice of alternating DP and CP predated my mod-dom around here by quite a few years. I just get to be the poster child because I was the one who started engaging people in the discussion about it.
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