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Old 01-04-2012, 05:55 PM  
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Franchise Tag Carr, Bowe or Orton?
So you pretty much have to franchise Carr if you can't get a deal worked out. Otherwise dude leaves to get paid and we get nothing out of it. This was a little shortsighted on Pioli's part.

there is a scenario of signing both Carr and Bowe and franchising Orton but again you have to have Carr signed.

So what would you do?
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Old 01-04-2012, 06:10 PM   #31
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Isn't the franchise number for QB's like 18 million dollars per?

that's nuts

Sign Carr
Tag Bowe (possible trade purposes?)
sign Orton as a transition type guy
look for a young QB


if Orton is looking for job security and doesn't want a transitional type deal then you move on.
To who? Cassel? A rookie? A second year guy who hasn't played a snap? I think that would be a pretty foolish move for Pioli to make.

We could franchise Orton and trade him... wait, now I'm just being retarted.
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Old 01-04-2012, 06:11 PM   #32
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You don't have to franchise Orton. You can probably sign him for 5 mil a year.
I think we don't get him for anything less than 2 for $20 mil
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Old 01-04-2012, 06:11 PM   #33
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Old 01-04-2012, 06:12 PM   #34
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Isn't the franchise number QB's like 18 million dollars per?

that's nuts

Sign Carr
Tag Bowe (possible trade purposes?)
sign Orton as a transition type guy
look for a young QB


if Orton is looking for job security and doesn't want a transitional type deal then you move on.
But honestly - who gives a !@#$

It's not my money, it's not yours. No, Orton's worth nowhere near $18 million next season, but who cares? He doesn't become a long-term cap problem that way and he can't bail for the best 5-year deal.

If you get both Bowe and Carr signed long-term, you can then use the franchise tag to keep Orton here for a season. That may honestly be as long as we need him for.

It's certainly unconventional, but with a shitload of cap space and the fact that we're probably not going to use even a fraction of it, why not slap the tag on Orton to make sure we still have a viable NFL starting QB next season when we get Charles back, continue to rebuild the O-line and the defense takes another step towards elite? It's especially attractive if we also draft a QB or make a legitimate long-term commitment to Stanzi.

This team, with Bowe and Carr re-signed and Moeaki, Charles and Berry healthy again (not to mention Siler) can absolutely be a dark-horse to do some serious damage in the AFC next season.

That or you can just slap the tag on Bowe and watch Matt Cassel blow another season apart for us.

Don't look at this from an 'equity' standpoint - of course Orton's not worth that kind of coin. Look at it as what is the best for the Chiefs from both a short and long-term standpoint. Getting Bowe/Carr locked up long-term while ensuring Orton stays here short term is perfect for both the short term and long-term pictures.
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Old 01-04-2012, 06:12 PM   #35
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sign bowe or carr and franchise the other one

**** orton

I guess if it comes down to it, franchise bowe....I wouldnt want our offense to lose that much firepower
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Old 01-04-2012, 06:13 PM   #36
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To who? Cassel? A rookie? A second year guy who hasn't played a snap? I think that would be a pretty foolish move for Pioli to make.

We could franchise Orton and trade him... wait, now I'm just being retarted.
As reeruned as it would be to franchise Orton, and I do agree you are getting to that point, it may be one of the only ways to dig us out of the hole we are in. I am not sure what the pay difference would be between keeping Cassel and franchising Orton. If it is anywhere close to the same then WTF? Take the better QB and go on.
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Old 01-04-2012, 06:13 PM   #37
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I'm speechless.

Franchise Orton?





Holy ****ing shit.
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Old 01-04-2012, 06:14 PM   #38
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I'm speechless.

Franchise Orton?





Holy ****ing shit.
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Old 01-04-2012, 06:14 PM   #39
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I think we don't get him for anything less than 2 for $20 mil
Get real. No one is giving Orton that kind of money.
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Old 01-04-2012, 06:15 PM   #40
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We literally just found this piece of shit off the trash, and now there are some (serious?) debates about franchising him? No. ****ing. thanks.

I don't think there is any chance in hell that Orton sees a contract north of $10M per, and that's being very liberal with the guesstimate. He'll be a 2 for 12 type of guy. Period.
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Get real. No one is giving Orton that kind of money.
We gave Cassel 3 years, 41 million.
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Get real. No one is giving Orton that kind of money.
No but someone will pay him $20 mil for 4 or 5 and he would probably opt for the longer term contract.
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SIGN CARR!!!!!
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tag Bowe

need to get a real QB
Orton is the best we have had since Green
so sign him front loaded
cut cassel
let stanzi actually compete and see who we can get in the draft
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No but someone will pay him $20 mil for 4 or 5 and he would probably opt for the longer term contract.
Why? It's not guaranteed. He'll opt for most up-front cash. And 6 would just about do it, I'm sure.
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