Sac's 2012 End of Season Mock - Page 9

Saccopoo · 09:12 PM

1. Peter Konz, C; Wisconsin: 6'3", 313 lbs.
- Yep, it's a ten pick reach at minimum, but Casey Wiegmann, while one of the best at his position during his career, is sniffing 40 and contemplated retirement before this past season. Rather than moving Hudson to center, keep him at guard (where he was a three time ACC first teamer & AP AA) and get a guy like Konz when you have the chance. He's big, physical and has the strength to handle even the biggest defensive tackles. I don't know if he's as good as Alex Mack at the same stage, but he reminds me a lot of him.

Other options would include OT's Riley Rieff or Jon Martin; ILB's Luke Kuechly or Dont'a Hightower (no Burfict as he hasn't shown the instincts to play at the next level or the capability to be anything other than a 15 yard personal foul waiting to happen).

2. Matt Reynolds, OT; BYU: 6'6", 330 lbs.
- Reynolds is a four year starter, and three year conference first teamer at left tackle. This also might be a bit of a reach, but he won't last beyond the second round and is most likely a better pro prospect than any offensive tackle beyond the top three. He's very athletic for a guy his size and could effectively play either side of the line. Plays nasty and through the whistle. Barry Richardson might be the worst starting offensive tackle in the NFL and the position needs to be addressed immediately. If the Chiefs don't get a shot at one of the top three in the first round, it needs to be addressed here - and Pioli has also shown the propensity to draft offensive line in the second round.

3. Derrek Wolfe, DT; Cincinatti: 6'5", 310 lbs.
- Initially, I would have loved the Chiefs to have picked up Wolfe in the 5th round, but after a monster 2011 season where he had 19.5 tackles for a loss and 9.5 sacks from the defensive tackle position for the Bearcats, he's going to be a riser, especially at the 3-4 defensive end spot where his length and speed to go along with his size are damn near prototype for the position. Jackson flashed a couple times in 2011 for the Chiefs, but Dorsey just looks like a "guy" out there and has a tendency to get absolutely engulfed by NFL guards.

4. Vick Ballard, RB; Mississippi State: 5'11", 215 lbs.
- With teams loading the box in an effort to stop him (because the Bulldogs didn't have much else offensively), Ballard still managed over 1000 yards on a 5.6 yards per carry. He's physically solid with good muscle mass and has very good vision. Is effective inside as well as out and is a good receiver. He went for 180 yards and two TD's in the Music City Bowl to close out his college career. He's a really good runnning back that would effectively fill the Thomas Jones spot in the lineup.

5. Tank Carder, MLB; TCU; 6'2", 240 lbs.
- With the two best blocking tight ends (Lutzenkirchen and Williams) going back to school for the 2013 season, this gets changed to linebacking stud Carder, who is the two-time MWC Defensive Player of the Year. Very instinctive and fundamentally sound, he was asked to do a lot in the middle playing in TCU's oddball 4-2-5 defense. Is effective in both coverage and filling the gaps on runs. Likes to put the big hit on carriers, but also plays smart. Is long and would be capable of carrying more weight to play inside in a 34. MVP of the 2011 Rosebowl when TCU beat a very good Wisconsin team. The guy can play some football.

6. Sean Cattouse, SS; California: 6'2", 215 lbs.
- With the loss of Berry at the start of the season, it highlighted the lack of depth that the Chiefs have at the strong safety position. McGraw has superb instincts but runs like he's in molasses. Sabby was a stopgap because of the injury. Cattouse has been solid for the Bears all season and one of the few bright spots on their defense. He's big, fast, likes to put the big hit on guys and has the tools to be an effective player with coaching. This is what you want in a backup strong safety.

7. Nick Provo, TE; Syracuse: 6'4", 250 lbs.
- Originally this was Caleb McSurdy, ILB; Montana, but with the pick of Carder in the fifth, another productive tight end on the roster is needed. Provo was First Team All-Big East in 2011 and set the Syracuse school record for career receptions for a tight end despite really only getting onto the field his junior and senior seasons. A Mackey semi-finalist in 2011.

Coogs · 01-16-2012, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies

Good thing they already had a #1 overall pick already playing at QB...

Trust me, I am all in on trading the farm for Luck. Possibly even RGIII, but more so on Luck.

Not expecting that to happen though, so I'm OK with going Konz at C, with Hudson and Asamoah at G, Albert at LT, and getting a RT in the 2nd round. I'm also OK with Hudson at C, DeCastro and Asamoah at G, Albert at LT and getting a RT in the 2nd.

What I am not really OK with is getting a LT in the first, and moving Albert somewhere else right now... but it is early.

ArrowheadMagic · 01-16-2012, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Trust me, I am all in on trading the farm for Luck. Possibly even RGIII, but more so on Luck.

Not expecting that to happen though, so I'm OK with going Konz at C, with Hudson and Asamoah at G, Albert at LT, and getting a RT in the 2nd round. I'm also OK with Hudson at C, DeCastro and Asamoah at G, Albert at LT and getting a RT in the 2nd.

This.

htismaqe · 01-17-2012, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

I'm not. I think the Jets did it a few years prior to that with D'Brick and Mangold in the first round. Not 100% sure on that, but that is what I recall.

The Jets o-line situation is a disaster, primarily because they spent so much on it and it's still pretty ineffective.

Coogs · 01-17-2012, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The Jets o-line situation is a disaster, primarily because they spent so much on it and it's still pretty ineffective.

I was just pointing out that it is not uncommon to go O-line with back-to-back picks to open the draft, and that two teams have actually done it in round 1 recently.

htismaqe · 01-17-2012, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

I was just pointing out that it is not uncommon to go O-line with back-to-back picks to open the draft, and that two teams have actually done it in round 1 recently.

The Rams have done it too.

There's a whole lot of fail in the list of teams that have done it, actually.

It's not a good idea.

Coogs · 01-17-2012, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The Rams have done it too.

There's a whole lot of fail in the list of teams that have done it, actually.

It's not a good idea.

The Jets have been to the AFC Championship twice (or is it 3 times since they have done this), the 49ers this year.

Not saying it is a good thing to do at all. Just saying it might be time to fix the damn thing too, since it is a glaring weakness with age and poor play at RT.

whoman69 · 01-17-2012, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

You have the most outdated football takes I've ever seen. Building those trenches, the key to winning football in the twenty tens

Certainly not as important as it used to be, but I think we're seeing the best defensive teams and the teams that can run the ball advance in the playoffs, ie Giants, Ravens and 49ers.

htismaqe · 01-17-2012, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

The Jets have been to the AFC Championship twice (or is it 3 times since they have done this), the 49ers this year.

Not saying it is a good thing to do at all. Just saying it might be time to fix the damn thing too, since it is a glaring weakness with age and poor play at RT.

I know you know this, but the goal isn't to make it to the AFC championship and get beat by a team with a franchise QB...

Coogs · 01-17-2012, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I know you know this, but the goal isn't to make it to the AFC championship and get beat by a team with a franchise QB...

See post 121.

O.city · 01-17-2012, 08:47 PM

Sac, since you are the expert on OL, whats your take on Carl Nicks?

Would a lineup of

Albert, Nicks, Hudson, Asamoah, Reynolds be a solid oline that we could build on?

Saccopoo · 01-17-2012, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Sac, since you are the expert on OL, whats your take on Carl Nicks?

Would a lineup of

Albert, Nicks, Hudson, Asamoah, Reynolds be a solid oline that we could build on?

With Hudson and Asamoah being recent round two picks by the Pioli regime, and Lilja on roster, I don't see the Chiefs spending big free agent money on Nicks. He'll get paid pretty well by someone (Detroit, Dallas, Houston, Chicago, Carolina and Arizona all could use an upgrade at the guard position more than the Chiefs) this offseason. I just don't see Pioli, who hasn't shown the propensity to spend large amounts of money on free agents (with the notable exception of Matt Cassel), pluniking down a lot on a free agent guard.

I think that Asamoah can be a really good player with another year under his belt, and Hudson, when given the reps this past season, really showed some great stuff. (The guy is bull strong with excellent leverage.)

They should just go ahead and draft a real center and promote Wiegmann to offensive line coach.

Bewbies · 01-17-2012, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Sac, since you are the expert on OL, whats your take on Carl Nicks?

Would a lineup of

Albert, Nicks, Hudson, Asamoah, Reynolds be a solid oline that we could build on?

Coogs · 01-17-2012, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Sac, since you are the expert on OL, whats your take on Carl Nicks?

Would a lineup of

Albert, Nicks, Hudson, Asamoah, Reynolds be a solid oline that we could build on?

They had this report over in the Shrine Bowl Thread from Monday's practice on Reynolds...

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BYU offensive tackle Matt Reynolds (6-4, 310) was smaller than expected. He had a mixed practice and should probably move inside to guard. His body shape just falls short of tackles in terms of height and arm length. Mississippi defensive end Kentrell Lockett (6-5, 243) beat him in a one-on-one, as Reynolds lost his feet and fell to the ground. In the coming days, he needs to play better.

Saccopoo · 01-17-2012, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

They had this report over in the Shrine Bowl Thread from Monday's practice on Reynolds...

And this was from the gbn report on the same practice:

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As I prefaced this article, it's early in the proceedings, but I was favorably impressed with the work of BYU OT Matt Reynolds at LT today during blocking drills. Reynolds had a nice first step and maintained his balance quite well; he looks to be a bit of a knee bender, but at least he does not appear to pop-up straight up out of his stance, while he also displayed a decent hand punch, which of course bought him time to steady himself. Bottom line is that Reynods showed enough to make me think he has a chance to compete at the OT position at the next level, instead of an automatic switch inside to OG as some have projected recently.

This is why the body of work by a player is a little more important than some casual observations on one day of practice at a post season all star game
by a blogger.

Coogs · 01-17-2012, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

And this was from the gbn report on the same practice:

This is why the body of work by a player is a little more important than some casual observations on one day of practice at a post season all star game
by a blogger.

Fair enough.

01-10-2012, 01:53 PM
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