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[the Talking Can]

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Dre Kirkpatrick arrested for marijuana possession Posted by Michael David Smith on January 17, 2012, 3:40 PM EST drekirkpatrick Former Alabama cornerback Dre Kirkpatrick, who is widely viewed as a first-round prospect in this year’s NFL draft, has been arrested for possession of marijuana.

The web site for the Sheriff’s Office in Manatee County, Florida, lists Kirkpatrick as having been arrested at 12:48 a.m. today for possession of less than 20 grams of cannabis. He was released after posting $120 bond.

Kirkpatrick, who announced last week that he is leaving Alabama for the NFL, is considered one of the top defensive players in the class of 2012. The eight mock drafts posted at NFL.com all have Kirkpatrick going in the Top 10.

[Urc Burry]

http://boards.bengals.com/showthread...32#post2358332

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

If we lose Carr and use a 2nd rounder on replacing a 26 yr old corner that has developed #1 skills during his time in KC, I'll probably not give a wet fart about our 2nd round pick.

If Carr walks, it will be absolutely inexcusable. This kid would essentially be our Nickel and give us the best 3rd down defense in football. Given the fact that our DEs are essentially run-stoppers only, having a premier 3rd down defensive package or even a good 2nd and 10 package like that could be a perfect way to construct this defense.

Originally Posted by htismaqe

We better not lose Carr.

For any reason.

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Losing Carr would be the final nail on Pioli for me. That or starting Cassel and I'm off the bandwagon probably for good.

All of these. If Carr walks, I'm going to meltdown on an epic level. You don't let the hardest workers in football leave over money when you have our cap space and spend it on nothing. It's inexcusable and an indictment on Clark ten times more than Pioli.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

All of these. If Carr walks, I'm going to meltdown on an epic level. You don't let the hardest workers in football leave over money when you have our cap space and spend it on nothing. It's inexcusable and an indictment on Clark ten times more than Pioli.

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[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Urc Burry

http://boards.bengals.com/showthread...32#post2358332

JFC. Does their board administrator not care about the forum looking like a piece of whale shit?

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

We better not lose Carr.

For any reason.

Let's say we slap down a carbon copy of Flowers deal in front of him and his agent convinces Him to test free agency. From there, a team with deep pockets offers him 12-13 million a year and good years. Half guaranteed.

I LOVE Carr. He is only gonna get better and is already really really good. Very humble and good natured as well.

But...

Can you justify spending an average of 22 million on a pair of corners?

No matter how good...that's a tough one.

Especially with Berry pulling a similar figure at safety.

All in all, I keep him even if I have to go past Flowers deal. It's a passing league and with this set of 3 corners and our pass rush, this defense could be downright nasty to play against in coming years.

IMO If Carr goes elsewhere, it better be for a stupid deal.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Let's say we slap down a carbon copy of Flowers deal in front of him and his agent convinces Him to test free agency. From there, a team with deep pockets offers him 12-13 million a year and good years. Half guaranteed.

I LOVE Carr. He is only gonna get better and is already really really good. Very humble and good natured as well.

But...

Can you justify spending an average of 22 million on a pair of corners?

No matter how good...that's a tough one.

Especially with Berry pulling a similar figure at safety.

All in all, I keep him even if I have to go past Flowers deal. It's a passing league and with this set of 3 corners and our pass rush, this defense could be downright nasty to play against in coming years.

IMO If Carr goes elsewhere, it better be for a stupid deal.

Everybody is on Carr's jock right now, but the guy gets burned a lot. That being said, he makes plays.

He's a high level #2 corner if you have a legit #1 CB on the roster. If someone wants to pay him top flight #1 NFL corner money, I'm okay with letting him go test the waters.

Arenas makes a shit ton of plays and I can see him in the Kevin Ross role of Flowers' Albert Lewis mold, especially if Berry can come out of the knee rehab without a hitch. (Berry can cover a lot of ground when healthy. I hope he had a good ortho doc for his knee and said doc did the best he ever did to fix it.)

If we keep Carr, all the better, as long as we don't overpay for him.

[Urc Burry]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Everybody is on Carr's jock right now, but the guy gets burned a lot. That being said, he makes plays.

He's a high level #2 corner if you have a legit #1 CB on the roster. If someone wants to pay him top flight #1 NFL corner money, I'm okay with letting him go test the waters.

Arenas makes a shit ton of plays and I can see him in the Kevin Ross role of Flowers' Albert Lewis mold, especially if Berry can come out of the knee rehab without a hitch. (Berry can cover a lot of ground when healthy. I hope he had a good ortho doc for his knee and said doc did the best he ever did to fix it.)

If we keep Carr, all the better, as long as we don't overpay for him.

In the past he has had trouble getting his head turned around..but this last year he has really stepped up and became a top 15 corner at the least

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Let's say we slap down a carbon copy of Flowers deal in front of him and his agent convinces Him to test free agency. From there, a team with deep pockets offers him 12-13 million a year and good years. Half guaranteed.

I LOVE Carr. He is only gonna get better and is already really really good. Very humble and good natured as well.

But...

Can you justify spending an average of 22 million on a pair of corners?

No matter how good...that's a tough one.

Especially with Berry pulling a similar figure at safety.

All in all, I keep him even if I have to go past Flowers deal. It's a passing league and with this set of 3 corners and our pass rush, this defense could be downright nasty to play against in coming years.

IMO If Carr goes elsewhere, it better be for a stupid deal.

Had Pioli slapped Flowers deal in front of Carr at any point over the last 12 months, Carr would've taken it without blinking. Had he given him 80% of Flowers deal for most of that time period, Carr would have done the same.

If he tests FA and gets an insane deal that we choose not to match, it will be because Pioli badly ****ed up the negotiation process prior to this and in the end lost all leverage in the matter.

If Carr leaves, it's an indictment on Pioli - period. And yeah, there are also circumstances where Carr staying could end up an indictment on Pioli. Frankly, Pioi's already dicked up the Carr discussions, all he can do now is mitigate the damage.

[boogblaster]

at least he'll be ready for let-downs .. pot helps with that .. lol ......

[Urc Burry]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Had Pioli slapped Flowers deal in front of Carr at any point over the last 12 months, Carr would've taken it without blinking. Had he given him 80% of Flowers deal for most of that time period, Carr would have done the same.

If he tests FA and gets an insane deal that we choose not to match, it will be because Pioli badly ****ed up the negotiation process prior to this and in the end lost all leverage in the matter.

If Carr leaves, it's an indictment on Pioli - period. And yeah, there are also circumstances where Carr staying could end up an indictment on Pioli. Frankly, Pioi's already dicked up the Carr discussions, all he can do now is mitigate the damage.

it was impossible to sign Carr during the regular season due to the 30%
rule...Thats not on Pioli

I think not 100% sure

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Everybody is on Carr's jock right now, but the guy gets burned a lot.

No he doesn't.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Let's say we slap down a carbon copy of Flowers deal in front of him and his agent convinces Him to test free agency. From there, a team with deep pockets offers him 12-13 million a year and good years. Half guaranteed.

I LOVE Carr. He is only gonna get better and is already really really good. Very humble and good natured as well.

But...

Can you justify spending an average of 22 million on a pair of corners?

No matter how good...that's a tough one.

Especially with Berry pulling a similar figure at safety.

All in all, I keep him even if I have to go past Flowers deal. It's a passing league and with this set of 3 corners and our pass rush, this defense could be downright nasty to play against in coming years.

IMO If Carr goes elsewhere, it better be for a stupid deal.

Carr isn't going to get 12-13 Million a year. Isn't that Reavis Money?

Carr should be getting 7-9 Million a year, which is perfectly manageable for this team.

Carr is a good CB, but lets not go overboard here.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Urc Burry

it was impossible to sign Carr during the regular season due to the 30%
rule...Thats not on Pioli

I think not 100% sure

My understanding is that things like completion/roster bonuses can kinda 'skirt' the 30% rule as they are not included in the computation of the 30% increase. EDIT: It appears that signing bonuses aren't calculated, but roster bonuses are. In either event, there are guaranteed dollars that can be given, generally up front, that aren't counted into the 30% rule and thus don't violate it.

Besides, Carr and Flowers were on substantially similar base contracts. Yeah, Flowers was a little more, but not exorbitantly so as a 2nd rounder. I don't believe Flowers contract would've complied with the 30% rule and his was inked in-season.

Why would extending Carr have violated it whereas extending Flowers didn't?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Everybody is on Carr's jock right now, but the guy gets burned a lot. That being said, he makes plays.

He's a high level #2 corner if you have a legit #1 CB on the roster. If someone wants to pay him top flight #1 NFL corner money, I'm okay with letting him go test the waters.

Arenas makes a shit ton of plays and I can see him in the Kevin Ross role of Flowers' Albert Lewis mold, especially if Berry can come out of the knee rehab without a hitch. (Berry can cover a lot of ground when healthy. I hope he had a good ortho doc for his knee and said doc did the best he ever did to fix it.)

If we keep Carr, all the better, as long as we don't overpay for him.

You're confusing Carr with the guy who already got his contract.

Carr is a clear #1 and superior to Flowers.

[the Talking Can]

there is no excuse for not signing carr...none

plus I've been assured Clark has every intention of spending that big pile of cash he skies down in his backyard, so Carr isn't going anywhere...