Sac's 2012 End of Season Mock - Page 12

Saccopoo · 09:12 PM

1. Peter Konz, C; Wisconsin: 6'3", 313 lbs.
- Yep, it's a ten pick reach at minimum, but Casey Wiegmann, while one of the best at his position during his career, is sniffing 40 and contemplated retirement before this past season. Rather than moving Hudson to center, keep him at guard (where he was a three time ACC first teamer & AP AA) and get a guy like Konz when you have the chance. He's big, physical and has the strength to handle even the biggest defensive tackles. I don't know if he's as good as Alex Mack at the same stage, but he reminds me a lot of him.

Other options would include OT's Riley Rieff or Jon Martin; ILB's Luke Kuechly or Dont'a Hightower (no Burfict as he hasn't shown the instincts to play at the next level or the capability to be anything other than a 15 yard personal foul waiting to happen).

2. Matt Reynolds, OT; BYU: 6'6", 330 lbs.
- Reynolds is a four year starter, and three year conference first teamer at left tackle. This also might be a bit of a reach, but he won't last beyond the second round and is most likely a better pro prospect than any offensive tackle beyond the top three. He's very athletic for a guy his size and could effectively play either side of the line. Plays nasty and through the whistle. Barry Richardson might be the worst starting offensive tackle in the NFL and the position needs to be addressed immediately. If the Chiefs don't get a shot at one of the top three in the first round, it needs to be addressed here - and Pioli has also shown the propensity to draft offensive line in the second round.

3. Derrek Wolfe, DT; Cincinatti: 6'5", 310 lbs.
- Initially, I would have loved the Chiefs to have picked up Wolfe in the 5th round, but after a monster 2011 season where he had 19.5 tackles for a loss and 9.5 sacks from the defensive tackle position for the Bearcats, he's going to be a riser, especially at the 3-4 defensive end spot where his length and speed to go along with his size are damn near prototype for the position. Jackson flashed a couple times in 2011 for the Chiefs, but Dorsey just looks like a "guy" out there and has a tendency to get absolutely engulfed by NFL guards.

4. Vick Ballard, RB; Mississippi State: 5'11", 215 lbs.
- With teams loading the box in an effort to stop him (because the Bulldogs didn't have much else offensively), Ballard still managed over 1000 yards on a 5.6 yards per carry. He's physically solid with good muscle mass and has very good vision. Is effective inside as well as out and is a good receiver. He went for 180 yards and two TD's in the Music City Bowl to close out his college career. He's a really good runnning back that would effectively fill the Thomas Jones spot in the lineup.

5. Tank Carder, MLB; TCU; 6'2", 240 lbs.
- With the two best blocking tight ends (Lutzenkirchen and Williams) going back to school for the 2013 season, this gets changed to linebacking stud Carder, who is the two-time MWC Defensive Player of the Year. Very instinctive and fundamentally sound, he was asked to do a lot in the middle playing in TCU's oddball 4-2-5 defense. Is effective in both coverage and filling the gaps on runs. Likes to put the big hit on carriers, but also plays smart. Is long and would be capable of carrying more weight to play inside in a 34. MVP of the 2011 Rosebowl when TCU beat a very good Wisconsin team. The guy can play some football.

6. Sean Cattouse, SS; California: 6'2", 215 lbs.
- With the loss of Berry at the start of the season, it highlighted the lack of depth that the Chiefs have at the strong safety position. McGraw has superb instincts but runs like he's in molasses. Sabby was a stopgap because of the injury. Cattouse has been solid for the Bears all season and one of the few bright spots on their defense. He's big, fast, likes to put the big hit on guys and has the tools to be an effective player with coaching. This is what you want in a backup strong safety.

7. Nick Provo, TE; Syracuse: 6'4", 250 lbs.
- Originally this was Caleb McSurdy, ILB; Montana, but with the pick of Carder in the fifth, another productive tight end on the roster is needed. Provo was First Team All-Big East in 2011 and set the Syracuse school record for career receptions for a tight end despite really only getting onto the field his junior and senior seasons. A Mackey semi-finalist in 2011.

**BigMeatballDave** · 01-19-2012, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

And that says nothing about how I was "wrong" about Berry.

But, please, continue to that end.

What are you getting at? Are you comparing the players? Attempting to compare the players?

It's hilarious how you keep this up.

You are the new Mecca.

Think you know it all and cannot admit when you're wrong.

**the Talking Can** · 01-19-2012, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

This is why you are an idiot.

Berry was a high school quarterback who got signed as an "athlete" to Tenessee. The guy didn't even have an official position when he got there.

And I had no problem with the Chiefs taking him when they did. They had a hole at safety and it filled a need. However, he was far from a finished product and it showed his rookie year as he was singularly responsible for a number of touchdowns in the passing game. He ended the season as essentially a third middle linebacker.

you're so full of shit

you hated the berry pick and have ragged it ever since, even as Berry had one of the best rookie seasons ever...calling him 'essentially a third middle linebacker' is the most epic butt hurt stupidity...

you wanted Okung over Berry..which is embarrassing, and pretty much all anyone needs to know about how you value talent

you overvalue OL talent for bizarre reasons no one can understand, and if the guy is white and a 'MAC 4 time team captain' who plays with 'good leverage' and squats 900 lbs then he's automatically worth drafting 3 rounds too high...

the sooner you'd just admit the Berry/Okung disaster was a stupid ****ing disaster, or just shut up about it, the sooner people would stop thinking you're clueless...but hey, I look forward to the Chiefs going center/guard in the first two rounds of the draft..reaching badly in each round...really

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but I do like reading your mocks regardless...for realz

veist · 01-19-2012, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Is he?:

So, ****nut, are you there watching the practices?

Or are you just some dumb ****er spouting off about one sentence shit you read on the intranets?

Are you there watching him "get killed?"

Seriously.

What are you basing your "he's getting killed" insight on?

When I say "getting killed" I mean he's piling up a bunch more bad scouting reports. He's a waist bender, slow footed and he gets off balance way too easy. Its the same thing people I have seen people saying about him since 2010 that is coming from the shrine game practices. He's a RT/G prospect that shouldn't come off the board until the third round at the absolute earliest. Also worth noting is he's older at 25 which will work against drafting highly a guy that is this far from starting caliber.

O.city · 01-19-2012, 05:55 PM

I know Sac is a little crazy about the oline, but this draft really sets up well to sure that thing up.

Get Konz in the first, hopefully trading down. Take whichever LB is left between Burfict and Hightower in the second. Have an extra 3 pick, take Fleener and a RT. Fill in the rest.

It's a true fans dream, but it's probably the most needed.

**BossChief** · 01-19-2012, 05:59 PM

If an OT isn't displaying perfect mechanics that features a lot of knee bend at the shrine practices, he is a project of at least a year before he should be allowed to play in a real NFL game against guys like Dumervil or Miller.

1 year.

At best.

If anyone thinks we should spend a second round pick on a guy like that, just turn your head and laugh.

Sac would have taken the black John tait at 5th overall.

Nothing more needs said.

Saccopoo · 01-20-2012, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by veist

When I say "getting killed" I mean he's piling up a bunch more bad scouting reports.

List them.

Please.

Saccopoo · 01-20-2012, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

If an OT isn't displaying perfect mechanics that features a lot of knee bend at the shrine practices, he is a project of at least a year before he should be allowed to play in a real NFL game against guys like Dumervil or Miller.

1 year.

At best.

If anyone thinks we should spend a second round pick on a guy like that, just turn your head and laugh.

Sac would have taken the black John tait at 5th overall.

Nothing more needs said.

So how were you with the Albert selection in the first round?

**BigMeatballDave** · 01-20-2012, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

So how were you with the Albert selection in the first round?

I liked it. You are the only one who doesn't like Albert.

Fact is, he's a good LT.

Above average in pass protection and a very solid run blocker.

I'm sure you'll dump all over this post.

Pound sand.

spanky 52 · 01-20-2012, 04:39 AM

Albert isn't a problem. LG, C and RT are a problem as is the NT position.

Chris Meck · 01-20-2012, 10:55 AM

Sac has shown himself to be an idiot long before now. Nothing to see here, move along.

ToxSocks · 01-20-2012, 11:06 AM

The biggest problem with this Mock is that there is no ****ing QB. No amount of O-line is going to make that shit-stain Cassel any better.

A new RT just means that Cassel will have an extra second or two to shit himself in the Pocket.

**BigMeatballDave** · 01-20-2012, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

The biggest problem with this Mock is that there is no ****ing QB. No amount of O-line is going to make that shit-stain Cassel any better.

A new RT just means that Cassel will have an extra second or two to shit himself in the Pocket.

Sac drafts like its 1969.

htismaqe · 01-20-2012, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

The biggest problem with this Mock is that there is no ****ing QB. No amount of O-line is going to make that shit-stain Cassel any better.

A new RT just means that Cassel will have an extra second or two to shit himself in the Pocket.

A RT is better than an elite RB, which would allow them to NOT THROW THE BALL AT ALL.

ToxSocks · 01-20-2012, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

A RT is better than an elite RB, which would allow them to NOT THROW THE BALL AT ALL.

Bah. We're not having this argument again.

O.city · 01-20-2012, 02:13 PM

Konz, Hightower, Poe, Tannehill.

Those are who we should look at.

01-10-2012, 01:53 PM
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	Sac's 2012 End of Season Mock 1. Peter Konz, C; Wisconsin: 6'3", 313 lbs. - Yep, it's a ten pick reach at minimum, but Casey Wiegmann, while one of the best at his position during his career, is sniffing 40 and contemplated retirement before this past season. Rather than moving Hudson to center, keep him at guard (where he was a three time ACC first teamer & AP AA) and get a guy like Konz when you have the chance. He's big, physical and has the strength to handle even the biggest defensive tackles. I don't know if he's as good as Alex Mack at the same stage, but he reminds me a lot of him. Other options would include OT's Riley Rieff or Jon Martin; ILB's Luke Kuechly or Dont'a Hightower (no Burfict as he hasn't shown the instincts to play at the next level or the capability to be anything other than a 15 yard personal foul waiting to happen). 2. Matt Reynolds, OT; BYU: 6'6", 330 lbs. - Reynolds is a four year starter, and three year conference first teamer at left tackle. This also might be a bit of a reach, but he won't last beyond the second round and is most likely a better pro prospect than any offensive tackle beyond the top three. He's very athletic for a guy his size and could effectively play either side of the line. Plays nasty and through the whistle. Barry Richardson might be the worst starting offensive tackle in the NFL and the position needs to be addressed immediately. If the Chiefs don't get a shot at one of the top three in the first round, it needs to be addressed here - and Pioli has also shown the propensity to draft offensive line in the second round. 3. Derrek Wolfe, DT; Cincinatti: 6'5", 310 lbs. - Initially, I would have loved the Chiefs to have picked up Wolfe in the 5th round, but after a monster 2011 season where he had 19.5 tackles for a loss and 9.5 sacks from the defensive tackle position for the Bearcats, he's going to be a riser, especially at the 3-4 defensive end spot where his length and speed to go along with his size are damn near prototype for the position. Jackson flashed a couple times in 2011 for the Chiefs, but Dorsey just looks like a "guy" out there and has a tendency to get absolutely engulfed by NFL guards. 4. Vick Ballard, RB; Mississippi State: 5'11", 215 lbs. - With teams loading the box in an effort to stop him (because the Bulldogs didn't have much else offensively), Ballard still managed over 1000 yards on a 5.6 yards per carry. He's physically solid with good muscle mass and has very good vision. Is effective inside as well as out and is a good receiver. He went for 180 yards and two TD's in the Music City Bowl to close out his college career. He's a really good runnning back that would effectively fill the Thomas Jones spot in the lineup. 5. Tank Carder, MLB; TCU; 6'2", 240 lbs. - With the two best blocking tight ends (Lutzenkirchen and Williams) going back to school for the 2013 season, this gets changed to linebacking stud Carder, who is the two-time MWC Defensive Player of the Year. Very instinctive and fundamentally sound, he was asked to do a lot in the middle playing in TCU's oddball 4-2-5 defense. Is effective in both coverage and filling the gaps on runs. Likes to put the big hit on carriers, but also plays smart. Is long and would be capable of carrying more weight to play inside in a 34. MVP of the 2011 Rosebowl when TCU beat a very good Wisconsin team. The guy can play some football. 6. Sean Cattouse, SS; California: 6'2", 215 lbs. - With the loss of Berry at the start of the season, it highlighted the lack of depth that the Chiefs have at the strong safety position. McGraw has superb instincts but runs like he's in molasses. Sabby was a stopgap because of the injury. Cattouse has been solid for the Bears all season and one of the few bright spots on their defense. He's big, fast, likes to put the big hit on guys and has the tools to be an effective player with coaching. This is what you want in a backup strong safety. 7. Nick Provo, TE; Syracuse: 6'4", 250 lbs. - Originally this was Caleb McSurdy, ILB; Montana, but with the pick of Carder in the fifth, another productive tight end on the roster is needed. Provo was First Team All-Big East in 2011 and set the Syracuse school record for career receptions for a tight end despite really only getting onto the field his junior and senior seasons. A Mackey semi-finalist in 2011. Last edited by Saccopoo; 01-17-2012 at 09:12 PM..
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01-19-2012, 05:55 PM	#169
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-735936	I know Sac is a little crazy about the oline, but this draft really sets up well to sure that thing up. Get Konz in the first, hopefully trading down. Take whichever LB is left between Burfict and Hightower in the second. Have an extra 3 pick, take Fleener and a RT. Fill in the rest. It's a true fans dream, but it's probably the most needed.
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01-19-2012, 05:59 PM	#170
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1755912	If an OT isn't displaying perfect mechanics that features a lot of knee bend at the shrine practices, he is a project of at least a year before he should be allowed to play in a real NFL game against guys like Dumervil or Miller. 1 year. At best. If anyone thinks we should spend a second round pick on a guy like that, just turn your head and laugh. Sac would have taken the black John tait at 5th overall. Nothing more needs said. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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01-20-2012, 04:39 AM	#174
spanky 52 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $-964399	Albert isn't a problem. LG, C and RT are a problem as is the NT position.
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ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2013063	The biggest problem with this Mock is that there is no ****ing QB. No amount of O-line is going to make that shit-stain Cassel any better. A new RT just means that Cassel will have an extra second or two to shit himself in the Pocket. __________________ Life is like a dick. Sometimes it gets hard for no reason, but it can't stay hard forever.
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01-20-2012, 02:13 PM	#180
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-735936	Konz, Hightower, Poe, Tannehill. Those are who we should look at.
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