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Old 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM  
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Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.
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Old 02-09-2012, 08:56 PM   #961
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Pioli made the right decision in passing on Sanchez. Where he has errored is by never giving Cassel legit competition.
So if Cassel had competition he'd be good? Cassel made Orton look like Dan Marino
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Old 02-09-2012, 09:00 PM   #962
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So if Cassel had competition he'd be good? Cassel made Orton look like Dan Marino
Your grasp of logic is lacking.

Seems much more likely that if Cassel had competition he'd be working the fry station.
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Old 02-09-2012, 09:01 PM   #963
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So if Cassel had competition he'd be good? Cassel made Orton look like Dan Marino
No, probably not, but maybe the Chiefs would have felt more comfortable benching him if they had a legit backup.
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Old 02-09-2012, 09:07 PM   #964
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No, probably not, but maybe the Chiefs would have felt more comfortable benching him if they had a legit backup.
Fair enough. As far as this year I don't see how they can't do everything they can to get at least the #2 pick.
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Old 02-10-2012, 01:06 AM   #965
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This might be off topic --I came across this illustration of Super Bowl winning quarterbacks. However, I'm not saying drafting a quarterback in the first round guarantees a team success. I did find it interesting 'no passing yardage leader has ever won a Super Bowl.'

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http://sixteenwins.com/2012/02/super-bowl-winning-qbs/
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Old 02-10-2012, 01:26 AM   #966
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18 out of the last 21 super bowl winner were franchise qb's. Rypien i included, because that year, the Redskins offense was breaking records left n right.
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Basically, we're all virgins. Pioli is gonna bust our hymen.
Hey Scott! Matt Cassel doesn't make me orgasm.

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Old 02-10-2012, 05:04 AM   #968
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That's pretty interesting, Ms. Dylan.

I would assume that the "passing yardage" issue has to do with that team's rushing attack?

Also, am I reading the crazy jersey chart correctly? Montana is the only 3x Super Bowl MVP? And Rapetheburgers has never been a SB MVP?

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Stafford will be the Super Bowl MVP soon
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Old 02-10-2012, 09:56 AM   #970
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Stafford will be the Super Bowl MVP soon
Potentially. That team still has a lot of work to do.
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Old 02-10-2012, 11:58 AM   #971
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just save that graphic and post it anytime someone suggests drafting OL in the First.
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So by this logic, if we reach for Tannenhill in the first then he becomes a SB QB?
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Old 02-10-2012, 02:46 PM   #974
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That's pretty interesting, Ms. Dylan.

I would assume that the "passing yardage" issue has to do with that team's rushing attack?

Also, am I reading the crazy jersey chart correctly? Montana is the only 3x Super Bowl MVP? And Rapetheburgers has never been a SB MVP?

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The 23-year-old Roethlisberger achieved it more with his legs than his arm. He converted enough second-half first downs to wind down the clock.
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Only seven wide receivers have been named MVP in Super Bowl history.

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