Chiefs are 63m under the cap

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by Urc Burry

Am I the only one who thinks this cap space has more to do with Carl Peterson then Scott Pioli? Outside of the '08 draft we've had I think 2 players in Carl Petersons era get second contracts. It will be 3 with Bowe, but that is still ridiculous how bad we were at drafting under Carl. That is where I believe all this money is coming from. It also helps that we resigned Jamaal Charles and DJ well under the market value

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It also helps that our big FA signings under Pioli are Steve Breaston and a bunch of guys like Brandon Siler.

The new strategy is to build under the draft. Since you have younger players, they are cheaper, especially with the new rookie scale. CP could have never done that because he drafted so horribly. He was always looking to fill holes with expensive FAs.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by whoman69

The new strategy is to build under the draft. Since you have younger players, they are cheaper, especially with the new rookie scale. CP could have never done that because he drafted so horribly. He was always looking to fill holes with expensive FAs.

GOOD teams fill holes with expensive FAs.

You draft your core, especially at QB, and then spend money to fill in the gaps with established players.

We're basically doing it the OPPOSITE of the way good teams do it.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

GOOD teams fill holes with expensive FAs.

You draft your core, especially at QB, and then spend money to fill in the gaps with established players.

We're basically doing it the OPPOSITE of the way good teams do it.

I fully expect big $'s to be paid to Carr and Bowe and use up a big chunk of that cap room.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

GOOD teams fill holes with expensive FAs.

You draft your core, especially at QB, and then spend money to fill in the gaps with established players.

We're basically doing it the OPPOSITE of the way good teams do it.

I think you're getting a little tunnel vision because of the QB issues. Good teams are generally finished building, or close to it, before they start launching those massive contracts. The Chiefs started that process last year with Breaston.

The only area where they've failed is quarterback. They've done everything else the way they should have, from a philosophical standpoint. They have built through the draft. Where their philosophy differs from yours and mine is that they apparently don't see QB as a high draft priority, and prefer the veteran route. Which works when you get Drew Brees. Unfortunately they got Matt Cassel.

And unfortunately drafting a QB now isn't going to fix anything. A QB should have been drafted between 2005 and 2008, and should be entering his prime now. Don't of course mistake that as me saying "don't draft a QB," I'm merely pointing out that that's the real problem at the heart of things: they need a *good* quarterback with Cassel's years and experience. Or even a slightly younger one just entering his prime, like say a non-sucky doppleganger of Mark Sanchez drafted much later in the round.

My guess is they're going to continue with vets because they don't want to wait for development. They likely think they're finished building (probably thought that last year), and drafting and developing a QB is a process that would feasibly set them back several years. That's in their minds, not mine.

I'd be tickled pink if they stayed put or dropped back and got a second tier QB in the latter half of the round, or even early in the 2nd. While that still wouldn't be a top-5 franchise pick, it would still be a night and day improvement over gambling on guys in the 3rd-7th and hoping they get lucky. I've seen enough Stanzi's and Smoker's and Croyle's. And Cassel's.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Urc Burry

Am I the only one who thinks this cap space has more to do with Carl Peterson then Scott Pioli? Outside of the '08 draft we've had I think 2 players in Carl Petersons era get second contracts. It will be 3 with Bowe, but that is still ridiculous how bad we were at drafting under Carl. That is where I believe all this money is coming from. It also helps that we resigned Jamaal Charles and DJ well under the market value

Yes, you are the only one.

The cap was not in great shape, ever with Carl. Every other year he'd go on a spending spree, and then the following year we couldn't spend shit.

[DaWolf]

Originally Posted by Urc Burry

Am I the only one who thinks this cap space has more to do with Carl Peterson then Scott Pioli? Outside of the '08 draft we've had I think 2 players in Carl Petersons era get second contracts. It will be 3 with Bowe, but that is still ridiculous how bad we were at drafting under Carl. That is where I believe all this money is coming from. It also helps that we resigned Jamaal Charles and DJ well under the market value

No. I know it is the trend to try and criticize everything Pioli does, but he's been smart with the cap so far. According to Clark, they capitalized on having a very young team with a bunch of cheaper contracts for the last few years by re-upping some of their key players, and instead of just throwing money at random players to fill out the roster (Think Carl going out and getting Carlton Gray and handing Dan Williams a huge deal) they used that extra cap room to carry over what he called "cap credits" to this year. He also indicated that over the next two years, the Chiefs are in a position, both in terms of the cap, and in terms of the maturity of their team to be in a position to add key pieces through free agency, to go out and target the guys we need to take us to the next level.

Now of course this could be all talk and the proof will be in the pudding. There have to be good free agents out there to sign, as opposed to the relatively weak FA class of last year. And there is no excuse for not bringing Bowe and Carr back, so those better get done. But we're in a real good position right now, and we've got a head coach in place that most players actually wouldn't mind playing for, as opposed to Haley and his rep...

[O.city]

Exactly htis.


This is why we decided to save all this money, for times like this. It's time to spend. If Clark is serious about winning, now is the time.

Show us Clark. I have my doubts.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by O.city

Exactly htis.


This is why we decided to save all this money, for times like this. It's time to spend. If Clark is serious about winning, now is the time.

Show us Clark. I have my doubts.

After he gave Hali, Charles and Johnson new contracts?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Micjones

After he gave Hali, Charles and Johnson new contracts?

He did pay those guys. I give them credit.


But we are still tons and tons under the cap. They have said that they saved money to pay for the guys they draft when the second contract comes around. Well that time is now.


IMO this offseason is really huge. We could potentially come out as a force in the AFC, or another pos Chief team that might win a few games next year.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by O.city

IMO this offseason is really huge. We could potentially come out as a force in the AFC, or another pos Chief team that might win a few games next year.

I tend to agree.

It's important to bring both the big guns (Bowe/Carr) AND the important role players as well (Gilberry).

[el borracho]

Originally Posted by O.city

IMO this offseason is really huge. We could potentially come out as a force in the AFC, or another pos Chief team that might win a few games next year.

The only thing that would make this offseason huge would be the acquisition of a legit QB. It doesn't matter how good everyone else is, without that one piece- you have nothing.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by el borracho

The only thing that would make this offseason huge would be the acquisition of a legit QB. It doesn't matter how good everyone else is, without that one piece- you have nothing.

not you too

[O.city]

Yes whoman that was/is the way they are going. Now it's time to pay those guys that were drafted.

[O.city]

Gilberry like said should be resigned if the price is right. If some 43 team decides to throw big money at him, I'd let him walk.

[O.city]

Well we have done it that way, save for our qb. Our core is set thru the draft, now we just have to get a qb.


Which we can do next year after we get Richardson in the first this year.