Chiefs are 63m under the cap

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Always KC. RT @MattPomPom Teams with most salary cap room(in millions): KC $63, TB $60, CIN $60, DEN $51, WAS $48, JAC $45.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by O.city

This is the post I was being sarcastic about. Assuming I guess that you are a Cassel guy.

My apologies.

I'm not, Cassel had his chance and needs to go.

but the best QB doesn't win the game, the best team does.

I want the best QB in the history of the league but that doesn't mean we just stop developing the team as well.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by BossChief

You're right.

We can just tag Bowe and let Carr walk and sign nobody.

Then, next year we can be 60 million under the cap again and at least 45 million short of the mandatory cap floor.

We'll just sign 45 million dollars worth of players then...in what shouldn't be anywhere near as good of a free agent class.

Does that seem realistic to ANYONE?

We are gonna spend some money THIS YEAR.

No shit. I agree we will spend SOME money this year...

...but I feel as if this thread is about, "we have all this cash to spend.." when that isn't the case.

Pioli will sign either Bowe or Carr, and tag the other. Then he....eh...they [+Clark] will go back to being cheap in bundle of sticksency.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by BossChief

You're right.

We can just tag Bowe and let Carr walk and sign nobody.

Then, next year we can be 60 million under the cap again and at least 45 million short of the mandatory cap floor.

We'll just sign 45 million dollars worth of players then...in what shouldn't be anywhere near as good of a free agent class.

Does that seem realistic to ANYONE?

We are gonna spend some money THIS YEAR.

I'm not a Pioli basher, i try to be realistic but his reluctance to spend money in free agency scares the shit out of me.

imo you need BOTH the draft and FA to get good and stay good. After we get a good team then Pioli can sit back and draft his ass off but until then we need to try every avenue. imo.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Laz

I'm not, Cassel had his chance and needs to go.

but the best QB doesn't win the game, the best team does.

I want the best QB in the history of the league but that doesn't mean we just stop developing the team as well.

Agree.


Again, my apologies.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

FA?

Word of the day?

[O.city]

I think we have gotten close enough with the draft that it's time to use that money, lock our guys up, and fill some holes with really good free agents.

I would rather overspend for 2 great free agents, than bring in 10 average guys.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

GOOD teams fill holes with expensive FAs.

You draft your core, especially at QB, and then spend money to fill in the gaps with established players.

We're basically doing it the OPPOSITE of the way good teams do it.

I think you're getting a little tunnel vision because of the QB issues. Good teams are generally finished building, or close to it, before they start launching those massive contracts. The Chiefs started that process last year with Breaston.

The only area where they've failed is quarterback. They've done everything else the way they should have, from a philosophical standpoint. They have built through the draft. Where their philosophy differs from yours and mine is that they apparently don't see QB as a high draft priority, and prefer the veteran route. Which works when you get Drew Brees. Unfortunately they got Matt Cassel.

And unfortunately drafting a QB now isn't going to fix anything. A QB should have been drafted between 2005 and 2008, and should be entering his prime now. Don't of course mistake that as me saying "don't draft a QB," I'm merely pointing out that that's the real problem at the heart of things: they need a *good* quarterback with Cassel's years and experience. Or even a slightly younger one just entering his prime, like say a non-sucky doppleganger of Mark Sanchez drafted much later in the round.

My guess is they're going to continue with vets because they don't want to wait for development. They likely think they're finished building (probably thought that last year), and drafting and developing a QB is a process that would feasibly set them back several years. That's in their minds, not mine.

I'd be tickled pink if they stayed put or dropped back and got a second tier QB in the latter half of the round, or even early in the 2nd. While that still wouldn't be a top-5 franchise pick, it would still be a night and day improvement over gambling on guys in the 3rd-7th and hoping they get lucky. I've seen enough Stanzi's and Smoker's and Croyle's. And Cassel's.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Laz

I'm not a Pioli basher, i try to be realistic but his reluctance to spend money in free agency scares the shit out of me.

imo you need BOTH the draft and FA to get good and stay good. After we get a good team then Pioli can sit back and draft his ass off but until then we need to try every avenue. imo.

I think it's a fair question to ask whether that apparent reluctance is Pioli or whether that's Hunt's direction.

Although they have I think spent a bit more than people realize. They just have a tendency to sign internally rather than sign outside free agents. And as I seem to say every year about this time, I think that's at least in part because free agency is not now what it was in the 90s or even the early part of the last decade. Teams are a bit less likely to let players go now. Generally (not always of course) a player on the market means there's some kind of issue, be it health or age or attitude.

[O.city]

Great takes keg.


I agree with the free agent thing, but this offseason is a great free agent period.

You can look at someone like Soliai. He is out in Miami because he is a NT and likely won't fit the 43. He's young and fits this defense.

Same thing with Nicks and Grubbs. Both are young and their team likely just can't afford to have that much money locked up in the OL. We can at this point.

[stonedstooge]

Anyone know where Bowser came up with the quote he had on page 1? "Its not about cap space available, but about cash available"

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Keg is spot on like usual.

[BossChief]

Orton
Carr
Bowe
Soliai
"starting quality interior linemen"
"starting quality offensive tackle"

Do that and have a solid draft and it will be an interesting year in 2012.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Orton
Carr
Bowe
Soliai
"starting quality interior linemen"
"starting quality offensive tackle"

Do that and have a solid draft and it will be an interesting year in 2012.

I would absolutely take this.

I've voiced my opinion of Ben grubbs but he might be too expensive.

Also my opinion of Richardson and Massie in round 1 and 2.

Do those things and 2012 could be very very interesting.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Orton
Carr
Bowe
Soliai
"starting quality interior linemen"
"starting quality offensive tackle"

Do that and have a solid draft and it will be an interesting year in 2012.

I'd take it

At this point Orton might be our best realistic move.

I really want to keep Carr.

Bowe can stay or go as long as helps the team with a trade or something when he leaves. btw i don't hate Bowe i just wonder how much money he wants and he might be our most valuable piece to do something dramatic to improve the team.

[O.city]

I agree Laz.


If Bowe is just wanting Holmes money, pay him that.


An offense of

Charles, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, McClusster, Richardson, and another TE led by Orton could really do some damage.