Chiefs Chiefs are 63m under the cap - Page 17

ShowtimeSBMVP · 02-10-2012, 01:43 PM

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Always KC. RT @MattPomPom Teams with most salary cap room(in millions): KC $63, TB $60, CIN $60, DEN $51, WAS $48, JAC $45.

Pasta Little Brioni · 02-11-2012, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The Rams have a very good veteran in Brandon Lloyd already. Blackmon would do fine as a #2 WR--even if it takes him time to develop, it's hard to believe it would take him long to be a significant upgrade at #2.

If their top priority is LT, that makes the argument for Bowe even worse. Because you can draft a stud LT like Kalil and use free agency to bring in a receiver. Unlike WR, for a team that has no money, that's going to be a very difficult position for the Rams to get past #4.

The Rams invested a number 2 overall pick in Jason Smith and spent a high 2nd on Saffold. It would be a collosal waste of resources and they might as well change thier team name to the St. Louis Sacofpoos.

O.city · 02-11-2012, 11:54 AM

The Rams can trade likely with the Browns and get two first round picks. The key is that they only have to move back 2 spots and can still get Blackmon or Kalil.

Then with that other first round pick they can get a wr or tackle, whichever one they didn't take. They can get those two players and pay them less than they would have to pay Bowe.

While I do think Bowe is a great wr, it makes no sense financially for the Rams, who don't have any cap space.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-11-2012, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Absolute hogwash. He's on a similar if not better track than Andre Johnson through 5 years in the league with shit QB play to boot. He absolutely can be an elite reciever in this league.

Bowe is a good receiver. I would sign him to a huge contract yesterday.

But is he in the same class as Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, or Megatron? Absolutely not. And that has nothing to do with the QB. When I see Bowe take over games the way they do, maybe. Statistically, yes, he matches up. But he's not in the same league as those guys.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-11-2012, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

well ... you have it all figured out then.

you should talk to the Rams about a job.

I'd get the job over you, given that your plan is to buy expensive players when your cap is already tight and to trade away 10-year prospects so my rebuilding team can win today.

Brock · 02-11-2012, 12:17 PM

He would be if he didn't have garbage QBs his entire career.

O.city · 02-11-2012, 12:17 PM

Those guys have really good qbs throwing them the ball. It's hard for Bowe to take over a game when every other ball is high or low.

Look at what Fitz has done since Warner left.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-11-2012, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

The Rams invested a number 2 overall pick in Jason Smith and spent a high 2nd on Saffold. It would be a collosal waste of resources and they might as well change thier team name to the St. Louis Sacofpoos.

When you have a franchise QB with an injury history, there is nothing wrong with stacking your team with Left Tackles. That's the same garbage mentality that would have the Lions passing up on Megatron because they messed up on Rodgers and Mike Williams.

The Rams absolutely have to upgrade their Left Tackle. It is mission critical. They don't have a ton of money in free agency. So you think you should put Bradford at risk just to save face?

O.city · 02-11-2012, 12:20 PM

Kalil is a great LT prospect. They could potentially come away with Kalil and the second best wr prospect in the draft in round 1.

Pasta Little Brioni · 02-11-2012, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Bowe is a good receiver. I would sign him to a huge contract yesterday.

But is he in the same class as Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, or Megatron? Absolutely not. And that has nothing to do with the QB. When I see Bowe take over games the way they do, maybe. Statistically, yes, he matches up. But he's not in the same league as those guys.

It doesn't?

Seriously?

Pasta Little Brioni · 02-11-2012, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

When you have a franchise QB with an injury history, there is nothing wrong with stacking your team with Left Tackles. That's the same garbage mentality that would have the Lions passing up on Megatron because they messed up on Rodgers and Mike Williams.

The Rams absolutely have to upgrade their Left Tackle. It is mission critical. They don't have a ton of money in free agency. So you think you should put Bradford at risk just to save face?

Great, so the rest of thier team can be shit because they have so much invested on the line. If they trade down and grab both of Cleveland's first that would be a bit different.

Bradford hasn't proven enough to be called a franchise QB anyway...I reserve that title for folks who have earned it.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-11-2012, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Those guys have really good qbs throwing them the ball. It's hard for Bowe to take over a game when every other ball is high or low.

Look at what Fitz has done since Warner left.

Fitz is doing just fine without Warner. He had one of his most productive seasons last year behind QBs worse than Cassel.

I'm not talking about statistically. I'm talking about... in the playoffs, do I have any confidence that Bowe is going to beat guys like Revis and Asomugah and Champ Bailey consistently? I'm sorry, but I've seen plenty of games where Bowe gets smothered by a very good corner, regardless of QB play. Guys like Randy Moss and TO in their prime, and Fitzgerald and Megatron and Andre Johnson are unguardable, even against the league's best. And that's leaving out the point that while Bowe has QB disadvantages, he also has had enormous advantages for most of his career. Like having Tony Gonzalez draw double and triple teams. Like teams loading 8 in the box and leaving Bowe one-on-one without much outside help.

I like Bowe as a WR. But I think we're being homers if we think he's among the league's elite. He is just a notch below that.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-11-2012, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Great, so the rest of thier team can be shit because they have so much invested on the line. If they trade down and grab both of Cleveland's first that would be a bit different.

Umm... we all know that a franchise QB is critical for a franchise. Would I invest a shitload to keep my fragile QB on the field and off his back? Every ****ing time.

Brock · 02-11-2012, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Fitz is doing just fine without Warner. He had one of his most productive seasons last year behind QBs worse than Cassel.

So did Dwayne Bowe.

O.city · 02-11-2012, 12:28 PM

We all want Bowe to be at that level. I don't think he will be. I think Fitz and Megatron are just physically better than everyone. I think Johnson is there too but it took him a little longer to figure it out.

I think Bowe is probably a top 5 or 6 wr. Is he a top 3 guy. No, but he doesn't have to be. I think he's a great possesion wr, who can be more with the right qb.

I think he has alot of room to grow.

And teams did load 8 in the box but Bowe didn't seem to get alot of one on ones. His only playoff game he had bracket coverage and a qb who didn't even throw a ball his way.

Pasta Little Brioni · 02-11-2012, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Umm... we all know that a franchise QB is critical for a franchise. Would I invest a shitload to keep my fragile QB on the field and off his back? Every ****ing time.

If he truly was a "franchise QB", we wouldn't be talking about the line would we? He'd get rid of the ball on time and raise the level of his teammates around him. I thought that was the definition of a "franchise QB"?

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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-775936	The Rams can trade likely with the Browns and get two first round picks. The key is that they only have to move back 2 spots and can still get Blackmon or Kalil. Then with that other first round pick they can get a wr or tackle, whichever one they didn't take. They can get those two players and pay them less than they would have to pay Bowe. While I do think Bowe is a great wr, it makes no sense financially for the Rams, who don't have any cap space.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-775936	Those guys have really good qbs throwing them the ball. It's hard for Bowe to take over a game when every other ball is high or low. Look at what Fitz has done since Warner left.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-775936	Kalil is a great LT prospect. They could potentially come away with Kalil and the second best wr prospect in the draft in round 1.
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02-11-2012, 12:28 PM	#254
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-775936	We all want Bowe to be at that level. I don't think he will be. I think Fitz and Megatron are just physically better than everyone. I think Johnson is there too but it took him a little longer to figure it out. I think Bowe is probably a top 5 or 6 wr. Is he a top 3 guy. No, but he doesn't have to be. I think he's a great possesion wr, who can be more with the right qb. I think he has alot of room to grow. And teams did load 8 in the box but Bowe didn't seem to get alot of one on ones. His only playoff game he had bracket coverage and a qb who didn't even throw a ball his way.
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