Chiefs are 63m under the cap

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If it's even possible, Derek Anderson is worse than Tyler Palko. Derek Anderson's passes were literally gunned 10 yards over receivers' heads. Not even Randy Moss could have caught the shit Anderson was throwing.

But that's just a side point. Look, we're arguing about the same thing. You already said we have to take Fitzgerald and Megatron out of the argument. Fitzerald's 1,300+ yards behind QBs worse than Cassel is a testament to how good he is and that hs is in a league above Bowe's. So while Bowe will get better, there's definitely a ceiling, because he just isin't as physically gifted as Fitzgerald.

WTF are you talking about?

Fitzgerald only had 1137 yards with QBs that are arguably worse than Cassel.

Kolb and Skelton last year are better than Cassel.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

WTF are you talking about?

Fitzgerald only had 1137 yards with QBs that are arguably worse than Cassel.

Kolb and Skelton last year are better than Cassel.

C'mon, I know you're better than this. I hate Cassel, but he's a serviceable starter / high quality backup. If Kolb and Skelton are any better than Cassel, it's by a hair. Not the kind that accounts for the 200 yard difference. And the 2010 QBs were "arguably" worse than Cassel? Derek Anderson and Max Hall aren't even good enough to be 3rd stringers, let alone starters. They are Tyler Palko bad. I think you need to rewind back to the Chiefs/Cardinals game two years ago where Derek Anderson was throwing the ball 10 yards over the receivers' heads on every single pass.

What are you arguing about? Didn't you already acknowledge that we shouldn't be comparing Bowe to Fitzgerald?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

C'mon, I know you're better than this. I hate Cassel, but he's a serviceable starter / high quality backup. If Kolb and Skelton are any better than Cassel, it's by a hair. Not the kind that accounts for the 200 yard difference. And the 2010 QBs were "arguably" worse than Cassel? Derek Anderson and Max Hall aren't even good enough to be 3rd stringers, let alone starters. They are Tyler Palko bad. I think you need to rewind back to the Chiefs/Cardinals game two years ago where Derek Anderson was throwing the ball 10 yards over the receivers' heads on every single pass.

What are you arguing about? Didn't you already acknowledge that we shouldn't be comparing Bowe to Fitzgerald?

I'm arguing the fact that you say that Bowe is not a receiver that can take over games in the playoffs.

When the QB has more than one option in the passing game, a receiver can take over a game.

When a QB has only one real option in the passing game, that reciver can be neutralized.

When a limited QB has only one optinon in the passing game, that receiver can be taken from the game completely.

And no, Cassel is not appreciably better than Derek Anderson and a rookie Max Hall.

Cassel is inaccurate, can not throw intermediate and deep balls, and can not read a defense, and he wilts under fake pressure.

Other than he's a hell of a QB.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

I'm arguing the fact that you say that Bowe is not a receiver that can take over games in the playoffs.

When the QB has more than one option in the passing game, a receiver can take over a game.

When a QB has only one real option in the passing game, that reciver can be neutralized.

When a limited QB has only one optinon in the passing game, that receiver can be taken from the game completely.

And no, Cassel is not appreciably better than Derek Anderson and a rookie Max Hall.

Cassel is inaccurate, can not throw intermediate and deep balls, and can not read a defense, and he wilts under fake pressure.

Other than he's a hell of a QB.

I never said Bowe is or isn't a playoff or big game WR. I'm saying to this date, we have no evidence that he is. Which means that we are making a BIG assumption that a better QB fixes it. It's very possible that even with a good QB, we find he gets shut down by elite defenses. We won't find out either way until we make a QB switch.

And you are ridiculously exaggerating how bad Cassel is. Like I said, he is a top-tier backup, serviceable starter at best. You're undermining your credibility if you truly, actually believe Anderson or Hall or anywhere NEAR Cassel's level. C'mon, man. Anderson is barely hanging on to an NFL roster, let alone competing for backup QB. Cassel is without a doubt a quality backup at the very least.

Cassel isn't as bad as you want to suggest he is, and Kolb/Skelton didn't do anything impressive that leads you to believe they're much better. If there's any difference right now between him and Kolb, it's not by very much, though I think Kolb's arrow will go up with experience. Skelton... same deal.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I never said Bowe is or isn't a playoff or big game WR. I'm saying to this date, we have no evidence that he is. Which means that we are making a BIG assumption that a better QB fixes it. It's very possible that even with a good QB, we find he gets shut down by elite defenses. We won't find out either way until we make a QB switch.

And you are ridiculously exaggerating how bad Cassel is. Like I said, he is a top-tier backup, serviceable starter at best. You're undermining your credibility if you truly, actually believe Anderson or Hall or anywhere NEAR Cassel's level. C'mon, man. Anderson is barely hanging on to an NFL roster, let alone competing for backup QB. Cassel is without a doubt a quality backup at the very least.

Cassel isn't as bad as you want to suggest he is, and Kolb/Skelton didn't do anything impressive that leads you to believe they're much better. If there's any difference right now between him and Kolb, it's not by very much, though I think Kolb's arrow will go up with experience. Skelton... same deal.

Derek Anderson is bad, no question.

But his problem lies in the fact that he's terribly inaccurate, even moreso than Cassel.

But he doesn't wilt under pressure, and he can read a defense.

So, yes, he's better than Cassel.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by milkman

Derek Anderson is bad, no question.

But his problem lies in the fact that he's terribly inaccurate, even moreso than Cassel.

But he doesn't wilt under pressure, and he can read a defense.

So, yes, he's better than Cassel.

Derek Anderson might be the worst QB ever when it comes to staring down WR's.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Derek Anderson might be the worst QB ever when it comes to staring down WR's.

No.

That would be David Carr.