Chiefs are 63m under the cap

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Always KC. RT @MattPomPom Teams with most salary cap room(in millions): KC $63, TB $60, CIN $60, DEN $51, WAS $48, JAC $45.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BossChief

You guys don't think Bowe would have had more touchdowns in 2010 if Matt Cassel wasn't his quarterback?

Seriously?

that was him as the only target to throw to besides Moeaki.

If defenses have to respect our other receivers, Moeaki, and we had a better quarterback throwing him the ball, he would had a lot more scores.

I dont know how someone could think otherwise, but who knows?

He probably would have. But not for the right reasons. He would have had more TDs than the average receiver because the Chiefs didn't have a goal line RB or a whole lot of red zone options outside of Bowe to throw to. I'm sure if Megatron or Fitzgerald were targeted in that same way, they'd have monster seasons too.

It doesn't mean I think he can do it again in 2012 if the Chiefs get a better QB and a goal line back, and I find it hard to believe they won't do both. I'm pretty sure Bowe is going to get a lot less red zone / goal line looks.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

A TD is a TD. Quit making excuses dude. They are all earned.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

C'mon, I know you're better than this. I hate Cassel, but he's a serviceable starter / high quality backup. If Kolb and Skelton are any better than Cassel, it's by a hair. Not the kind that accounts for the 200 yard difference. And the 2010 QBs were "arguably" worse than Cassel? Derek Anderson and Max Hall aren't even good enough to be 3rd stringers, let alone starters. They are Tyler Palko bad. I think you need to rewind back to the Chiefs/Cardinals game two years ago where Derek Anderson was throwing the ball 10 yards over the receivers' heads on every single pass.

What are you arguing about? Didn't you already acknowledge that we shouldn't be comparing Bowe to Fitzgerald?

I'm arguing the fact that you say that Bowe is not a receiver that can take over games in the playoffs.

When the QB has more than one option in the passing game, a receiver can take over a game.

When a QB has only one real option in the passing game, that reciver can be neutralized.

When a limited QB has only one optinon in the passing game, that receiver can be taken from the game completely.

And no, Cassel is not appreciably better than Derek Anderson and a rookie Max Hall.

Cassel is inaccurate, can not throw intermediate and deep balls, and can not read a defense, and he wilts under fake pressure.

Other than he's a hell of a QB.

[milkman]

And yes, Kolb and Skelton were better than Cassel, and it isn't even debatable.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by milkman

And yes, Kolb and Skelton were better than Cassel, and it isn't even debatable.

I know we all hate Cassel, but this is wrong.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Messier

I know we all hate Cassel, but this is wrong.

I don't think Kolb is better than Cassel, but I agree with him on Skelton.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

I'm arguing the fact that you say that Bowe is not a receiver that can take over games in the playoffs.

When the QB has more than one option in the passing game, a receiver can take over a game.

When a QB has only one real option in the passing game, that reciver can be neutralized.

When a limited QB has only one optinon in the passing game, that receiver can be taken from the game completely.

And no, Cassel is not appreciably better than Derek Anderson and a rookie Max Hall.

Cassel is inaccurate, can not throw intermediate and deep balls, and can not read a defense, and he wilts under fake pressure.

Other than he's a hell of a QB.

I never said Bowe is or isn't a playoff or big game WR. I'm saying to this date, we have no evidence that he is. Which means that we are making a BIG assumption that a better QB fixes it. It's very possible that even with a good QB, we find he gets shut down by elite defenses. We won't find out either way until we make a QB switch.

And you are ridiculously exaggerating how bad Cassel is. Like I said, he is a top-tier backup, serviceable starter at best. You're undermining your credibility if you truly, actually believe Anderson or Hall or anywhere NEAR Cassel's level. C'mon, man. Anderson is barely hanging on to an NFL roster, let alone competing for backup QB. Cassel is without a doubt a quality backup at the very least.

Cassel isn't as bad as you want to suggest he is, and Kolb/Skelton didn't do anything impressive that leads you to believe they're much better. If there's any difference right now between him and Kolb, it's not by very much, though I think Kolb's arrow will go up with experience. Skelton... same deal.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by -King-

I don't think Kolb is better than Cassel, but I agree with him on Skelton.

I really didn't see Skelton play very much. I went and looked at his stats and they're not impressive. He's started a total of 11 games over his first two seasons. I think I'd need to see him for a full year, because Elvis Grbac looked really impressive when he had 5 starts for the 49ers.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Messier

I know we all hate Cassel, but this is wrong.

Last season, Kolb and Skelton each started 8 games, and each had more 200 yard passing games in their respective 8 starts than Matt Cassel had in his 15 starts in 2010.

Skelton had two really bad games, one with 99 yards, the other with 115 yards.

He really played really well down the stretch in leading the Cardinals to 3 wins in their last 4 games, including a win against the 9ers.

Kid has upside.

Kevin Kolb had a single game in which he passed for fewer than 200 yards, a 153 yard game against the Ravens.

The Cardinals gave up too much for him, and he likely will not be starting in a couple of years, but he's still better than Cassel, and so is Skelton.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I never said Bowe is or isn't a playoff or big game WR. I'm saying to this date, we have no evidence that he is. Which means that we are making a BIG assumption that a better QB fixes it. It's very possible that even with a good QB, we find he gets shut down by elite defenses. We won't find out either way until we make a QB switch.

And you are ridiculously exaggerating how bad Cassel is. Like I said, he is a top-tier backup, serviceable starter at best. You're undermining your credibility if you truly, actually believe Anderson or Hall or anywhere NEAR Cassel's level. C'mon, man. Anderson is barely hanging on to an NFL roster, let alone competing for backup QB. Cassel is without a doubt a quality backup at the very least.

Cassel isn't as bad as you want to suggest he is, and Kolb/Skelton didn't do anything impressive that leads you to believe they're much better. If there's any difference right now between him and Kolb, it's not by very much, though I think Kolb's arrow will go up with experience. Skelton... same deal.

Derek Anderson is bad, no question.

But his problem lies in the fact that he's terribly inaccurate, even moreso than Cassel.

But he doesn't wilt under pressure, and he can read a defense.

So, yes, he's better than Cassel.

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by milkman

And even as bad as the Cards were at QB in 2010, they still attempted nearly 100 more passes than the Chiefs.

But had less yards to show for it despite having 11 more receptions.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by whoman69

But had less yards to show for it despite having 11 more receptions.

And Fitzgerald had fewer yards and more receptions than Bowe.

I guess that means that Bowe is better, right?

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by milkman

Derek Anderson is bad, no question.

But his problem lies in the fact that he's terribly inaccurate, even moreso than Cassel.

But he doesn't wilt under pressure, and he can read a defense.

So, yes, he's better than Cassel.

Derek Anderson might be the worst QB ever when it comes to staring down WR's.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Derek Anderson might be the worst QB ever when it comes to staring down WR's.

No.

That would be David Carr.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by milkman

Last season, Kolb and Skelton each started 8 games, and each had more 200 yard passing games in their respective 8 starts than Matt Cassel had in his 15 starts in 2010.

Skelton had two really bad games, one with 99 yards, the other with 115 yards.

He really played really well down the stretch in leading the Cardinals to 3 wins in their last 4 games, including a win against the 9ers.

Kid has upside.

Kevin Kolb had a single game in which he passed for fewer than 200 yards, a 153 yard game against the Ravens.

The Cardinals gave up too much for him, and he likely will not be starting in a couple of years, but he's still better than Cassel, and so is Skelton.

Sounds like you're basing your opinion on passing yards per game. I don't know if that tells you much. Cassel has the second most passing yards in a single game in Chiefs history.

Skelton and Kolb might be better than Cassel, (although, I doubt it with Kolb) but it's early to say it isn't debatable.