Ryan Braun tests positive for PED

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I'm just saying now that he was basically busted for cheating if will be interesting to see if his numbers will decline or was the test taken sometime other then after the 11 season?

I see what you are saying. A decline from an MVP year isn't necessarily proof someone was doping.

My point was that his numbers didn't dramatically spike upwards in 2011, something usually associated with the onset of PED use. Guy has been putting up steadily nice numbers his whole career.
That, and his hat size didn't enter the Bonds Zone.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by vailpass

I see what you are saying. A decline from an MVP year isn't necessarily proof someone was doping.

My point was that his numbers didn't dramatically spike upwards in 2011, something usually associated with the onset of PED use. Guy has been putting up steadily nice numbers his whole career.
That, and his hat size didn't enter the Bonds Zone.

Right, but who is to say how long he has been using. I'm assuming it's not a recent phenomenon. If he has taking some moderate dosed test with an AI you aren't going to see a lot of dramatic changes. 200mg per week which is a high TRT dose, but 1/2 a beginners body building dose over months and years will still yield performancing enhancing effects. That's why I'm just curious as to what his Total T level was more then his Test to Estrogen ratio which tells you nothing.

Edit
It looks like it's Testosterone to Epitestosterone levels not estrogen that is checked.

I would still like to know the total T number though.

If his TE Ratio was 4-1 then he likely had T levels at about 2000. That's probably having 300-400 mg of test in his body. That doesn't seem that crazy to me, but I'm no expert.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

If his TE Ratio was 4-1 then he likely had T levels at about 2000. That's probably having 300-400 mg of test in his body. That doesn't seem that crazy to me, but I'm no expert.

His "insanely high" TE ratio was 20-1. From what I've read, its pretty high and you don't see it often, but it is not an impossible ratio at all.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by alnorth

His "insanely high" TE ratio was 20-1. From what I've read, its pretty high and you don't see it often, but it is not an impossible ratio at all.

Yeah, I found this little nugget. Basically if you are over 1100NG you are probably using synthetic test. The average male being about 400-500.

However, there’s a little twist to the story! Various studies reveal serious weaknesses in the T/E ratio test used by various anti-doping organizations as a biomarker. One of the reports published in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism successfully argues that the production of TG from testosterone is primarily controlled by an enzyme (UGT2B17) produced by a specific gene that has many common variants coding for enzymatic variants with different levels of activity. So, wildly different testing results can be expected with the intake of same doses of testosterone! In lieu of this, the validity of T/E based testing has widely been debated and alternate methods of hormone testing have been suggested.



Read more: http://www.testcountry.org/how-stero...#ixzz1nKW9foWu

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by vailpass

I see what you are saying. A decline from an MVP year isn't necessarily proof someone was doping.

My point was that his numbers didn't dramatically spike upwards in 2011, something usually associated with the onset of PED use. Guy has been putting up steadily nice numbers his whole career.
That, and his hat size didn't enter the Bonds Zone.

PED users are just as likely to be the guys putting up steadily nice numbers throughout their careers as they are to be guys with dramatic spikes in performance.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

PED users are just as likely to be the guys putting up steadily nice numbers throughout their careers as they are to be guys with dramatic spikes in performance.

Thanks Patrick Arnold.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by vailpass

Thanks Patrick Arnold.

Sorry, but it's lazy thinking to believe anything else.