just more speculation about RGIII

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

What do we have to lose? 5-6 years.

I've stated before... if you give up 2 years of drafts, in 2-3 years, you're going to start losing a lot of your in-house talent, you'll have no young players to replace them, and your cap becomes too stretched to sign marquee free agents from the outside. If we give up 2 years of drafts, by 2015, RGIII's supporting cast is going to look significantly worse.

So the question is, do people feel comfortable that RGIII can be Peyton Manning? That he can be a QB that can carry a team on his back? Or will we use common sense and say that his upside is much more likely to be like Matt Ryan -- a very good QB who won't make the Super Bowl unless he gets the help of a great supporting cast?

3 playoff wins in 40 years and yet you still worry about 5-6 years? I still think you are pulling a worst case scenario to justify your position. Lets put it this way, we played it safe the last 5-6 years and have what to show for it?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by tredadda

3 playoff wins in 40 years and yet you still worry about 5-6 years? I still think you are pulling a worst case scenario to justify your position. Lets put it this way, we played it safe the last 5-6 years and have what to show for it?

I have maintained my position that you build your team as if they have to support Matt Ryan, but you aggressively pursue QBs that you hope will become Peyton Manning. Taking a risk on a franchise QB is one thing. Taking a gamble that your QB will become Peyton Manning is another.

I am a big supporter of trading aggressively for RGIII. But if it means sacrificing 2+ years of marquee draft picks, then forget about it. It's stupid to take that enormous risk because we have to overcompensate in a really horrendous QB draft class. I'd rather wait until 2013. There will be deeper QBs and regardless of our draft position, it will be significantly to trade our way into a QB that has true first round value.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I have maintained my position that you build your team as if they have to support Matt Ryan, but you aggressively pursue QBs that you hope will become Peyton Manning. Taking a risk on a franchise QB is one thing. Taking a gamble that your QB will become Peyton Manning is another.

I am a big supporter of trading aggressively for RGIII. But if it means sacrificing 2+ years of marquee draft picks, then forget about it. It's stupid to take that enormous risk because we have to overcompensate in a really horrendous QB draft class. I'd rather wait until 2013. There will be deeper QBs and regardless of our draft position, it will be significantly to trade our way into a QB that has true first round value.

? What? What does taking RG3 and trading for him have to do with thinking he will become Peyton Manning? He doesn't need to be Peyton Manning. Peyton never played on a team as good as the team KC has right now...

RG3 has a lot going for him. Brains like crazy, a better deep ball than Manning, and his athletic ability is just icing.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by aturnis

? What? What does taking RG3 and trading for him have to do with thinking he will become Peyton Manning? He doesn't need to be Peyton Manning. Peyton never played on a team as good as the team KC has right now...

RG3 has a lot going for him. Brains like crazy, a better deep ball than Manning, and his athletic ability is just icing.

Yes. So you give him a 2-3 year window to win now, which is crazy to expect out of a rookie. If you have ineffective drafts two years in a row, those young guys you have on your roster for cheap, suddenly either get overpaid or you let them loose. That means either you overly stretch your cap, or you have to let some good players go and make your team worse (and you'll have no one to replace them with).

It's not rocket science. We all know that great teams build around a franchise QB, but they also build around the draft.