Seriously,if the Chiefs...

[Bump]

Originally Posted by TEX

DUMB!

seriously. I bet that hate would turn to love after Manning won us a Superbowl. I don't care if Bill Romanoski or Shannon Sharpe (2 of my most hated ever) could suit up at QB and take us to the promised land, I'd be all over their jock afterwards.

[Wallcrawler]

You have to make a move. Nearly 20 years and no playoff wins, and inconsistent seasons show that the way things have been done is not going to work, and will not work.

Cassel had his shot, and he blew it harder than Peter North over Jenna Jameson's heartbreaker tattoo.

This year, it looks like there are two options for the Chiefs to improve the most vital part of the football team.

You sink this draft, and part of (if not all) of next year's draft to move up to 2 and take Griffin. Doing that likely costs players as well.

You bring in Griffin. Great. Now, without Bowe to throw to or Albert protecting him, what is he going to get done? Youre left in free agency limbo to try to address the needs to build around this kid. Result: Chiefs suck for probably 2 years and get nothing in the draft to show for it, while the Rams live like kings.

Or you bring in Manning.

Lets cut the bullshit. Obviously, Manning is going to have to pass a physical and demonstrate he has the tools to do what needs to be done before he gets signed.

We sign Manning, and we still have pretty good position in the draft to get him some help. We've got some cash to throw at some free agents that could help out further.


How would bringing in Manning for a few seasons while retaining our drafts set the team back?

The way I see it, if you go all in for RG3 you do more to potentially set the team back than you do to help it. Sacrificing 2 drafts, key players, likely getting into cap hell because of all the scrapping youre gonna have to do in free agency to get this kid some help.

Get #18 in red, ASAP.

[Sofa King]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

You have to make a move. Nearly 20 years and no playoff wins, and inconsistent seasons show that the way things have been done is not going to work, and will not work.

Cassel had his shot, and he blew it harder than Peter North over Jenna Jameson's heartbreaker tattoo.

This year, it looks like there are two options for the Chiefs to improve the most vital part of the football team.

You sink this draft, and part of (if not all) of next year's draft to move up to 2 and take Griffin. Doing that likely costs players as well.

You bring in Griffin. Great. Now, without Bowe to throw to or Albert protecting him, what is he going to get done? Youre left in free agency limbo to try to address the needs to build around this kid. Result: Chiefs suck for probably 2 years and get nothing in the draft to show for it, while the Rams live like kings.

Or you bring in Manning.

Lets cut the bullshit. Obviously, Manning is going to have to pass a physical and demonstrate he has the tools to do what needs to be done before he gets signed.

We sign Manning, and we still have pretty good position in the draft to get him some help. We've got some cash to throw at some free agents that could help out further.


How would bringing in Manning for a few seasons while retaining our drafts set the team back?

The way I see it, if you go all in for RG3 you do more to potentially set the team back than you do to help it. Sacrificing 2 drafts, key players, likely getting into cap hell because of all the scrapping youre gonna have to do in free agency to get this kid some help.

Get #18 in red, ASAP.

Wait what??? i stopped here. Who ever said anything about trading Albert? We're surely not losing him to free agency... Nobody let's starting left tackles go...


And we're not sacrificing two ****ing drafts people. We would still have a 1st rounder this year. It's not disappearing. It's going towards RGIII... We lose a 1st next year, big whoop. 1st rounders bust all the time and it doesn't set a team back 2 years. Whatever other picks we give up, 2nd's, 3rds, doesn't matter, they won't have anywhere near the affect a ****ing franchise QB has.... And just for the record, 2 drafts = 14 picks. We're not giving up 14 picks to trade up.... Stop being dramatic.

Odds are we're not trading up. Does that piss me off? No. I can see why we probably won't. Would i be pissed if we did and it cost us some very high picks? Hell no. We have to try. Would Peyton be a great addition, Hell ya he would. Orton? He's better than Matt...

We've got options.


EDIT: Personally i realize we need a QB now. By the time all you "wait until next year" crowd finally get a QB, he'll be too young to actually do anything worth a shit while our best players just keep getting older and older.

[Crush]

Originally Posted by Sofa King

Wait what??? i stopped here. Who ever said anything about trading Albert? We're surely not losing him to free agency... Nobody let's starting left tackles go...


And we're not sacrificing two ****ing drafts people. We would still have a 1st rounder this year. It's not disappearing. It's going towards RGIII... We lose a 1st next year, big whoop. 1st rounders bust all the time and it doesn't set a team back 2 years. Whatever other picks we give up, 2nd's, 3rds, doesn't matter, they won't have anywhere near the affect a ****ing franchise QB has.... And just for the record, 2 drafts = 14 picks. We're not giving up 14 picks to trade up.... Stop being dramatic.

Trading up from 11 to 2 is going to take 5 years worth of draft picks. We're ****ed either way.

[Sofa King]

Originally Posted by Crush

Trading up from 11 to 2 is going to take 5 years worth of draft picks. We're ****ed either way.

[Crush]

Originally Posted by Sofa King

My bad. It is actually 6 years worth of draft picks. I had the chart upside down.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Crush

Trading up from 11 to 2 is going to take 5 years worth of draft picks. We're ****ed either way.

no, it's not.

at most it will effect 3 drafts and i seriously doubt it does that because most teams will not want to wait that long for the picks.

three 1st round picks + a few xtra ... should do it.

this year's 1st
a player who is worth or traded for a 1st(3-way trade or tag/trade)
next year's 1st
extra picks(2nd and 3rd this year? ... 2nd this year and 2nd next year? etc)

now that is NOT 5 years worth of picks ... it's not even 2 full year's worth of picks.

it will cost a lot, but let's not get overly melodramatic about it.

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by Sofa King

Wait what??? i stopped here. Who ever said anything about trading Albert? We're surely not losing him to free agency... Nobody let's starting left tackles go...

Gonna go slowly for you here.

Chiefs have the ELEVENTH pick (11).

The Chiefs would be competing with the Browns and Redskins in a battle to trade up. Draft picks alone are not going to beat out these teams, especially considering if the Chiefs do acquire what they need, they will likely not be picking very highly next season while the Browns and Redskins have a pretty good shot at having high picks again next year.

Youre now looking at what the Rams' needs are. T, WR, CB.

Its likely that Carr is history, so the ammunition the Chiefs have are their draft, their future draft, LT Branden Albert, and WR Dwayne Bowe. Thats of course contingent on the Rams even being able to afford to do a deal that would involve players due to their cap situation.

Anyone thinking that it would take less than that to jump 9 spots over teams with far better picks has their head FIRMLY planted in their anus.

[Sofa King]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Gonna go slowly for you here.

Chiefs have the ELEVENTH pick (11).

The Chiefs would be competing with the Browns and Redskins in a battle to trade up. Draft picks alone are not going to beat out these teams, especially considering if the Chiefs do acquire what they need, they will likely not be picking very highly next season while the Browns and Redskins have a pretty good shot at having high picks again next year.

Youre now looking at what the Rams' needs are. T, WR, CB.

Its likely that Carr is history, so the ammunition the Chiefs have are their draft, their future draft, LT Branden Albert, and WR Dwayne Bowe. Thats of course contingent on the Rams even being able to afford to do a deal that would involve players due to their cap situation.

Anyone thinking that it would take less than that to jump 9 spots over teams with far better picks has their head FIRMLY planted in their anus.

We're not trading Albert. The fact that you think we might shows how ****ing stupid you really are.

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by Sofa King

We're not trading Albert. The fact that you think we might shows how ****ing stupid you really are.

Im not saying they might trade Albert. Impressive comprehension skills you have there, really.

Im saying that is what it will take if they want to draft RG3. The Chiefs will not get up to #2 on draft picks alone. They will have to address the needs of the Rams while also giving up our draft choices. Their needs are T, WR, and CB.

If they want RG3, theyre going to have to make big sacrifices to move up 9 spots, and as I said, what is this guy really going to accomplish even if we get him when we would have to give up so much for him?

Manning coming in, and the Chiefs keeping their picks and players makes more sense, and wont set the team back like everyone says bringing in a retread QB will.

Ill go get my crayons so I can draw it out for you if you still cant understand. You like red, or blue better?

[lcarus]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Im not saying they might trade Albert. Impressive comprehension skills you have there, really.

Im saying that is what it will take if they want to draft RG3. The Chiefs will not get up to #2 on draft picks alone. They will have to address the needs of the Rams while also giving up our draft choices. Their needs are T, WR, and CB.

If they want RG3, theyre going to have to make big sacrifices to move up 9 spots, and as I said, what is this guy really going to accomplish even if we get him when we would have to give up so much for him?

Manning coming in, and the Chiefs keeping their picks and players makes more sense, and wont set the team back like everyone says bringing in a retread QB will.

Ill go get my crayons so I can draw it out for you if you still cant understand. You like red, or blue better?

I'd give up Albert and some draft picks for Griffin. Then again, I'm starving for a young elite QB prospect. We've had plenty of great offensive tackles over the years, and nothing to show for it. QB is what we need right now.

[Sofa King]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Im not saying they might trade Albert. Impressive comprehension skills you have there, really.

Im saying that is what it will take if they want to draft RG3. The Chiefs will not get up to #2 on draft picks alone. They will have to address the needs of the Rams while also giving up our draft choices. Their needs are T, WR, and CB.

If they want RG3, theyre going to have to make big sacrifices to move up 9 spots, and as I said, what is this guy really going to accomplish even if we get him when we would have to give up so much for him?

Manning coming in, and the Chiefs keeping their picks and players makes more sense, and wont set the team back like everyone says bringing in a retread QB will.

Ill go get my crayons so I can draw it out for you if you still cant understand. You like red, or blue better?

It's not that i don't get your point, it's that the point you're trying to make is stupid as ****.