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Mr_Tomahawk · 03-17-2012, 05:13 PM

With the additions of Routt, Hillis, Boss, and now Winston; do you consider this a successful offseason thus far?

If no...who else would we need to sign (realistically) in order for you to consider it a success?

King_Chief_Fan · 03-18-2012, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

This.

We've had the same three massive holes since this regime took over.

Yesterday, one finally was filled and people are ready to erect a statue of Pioli next to Lamar's at Arrowhead.

At this rate, we might see a legit fix at NT by 2015 and at QB by 2018.

A downgrade at CB, two backups, Eric Winston (Thank God) and Brady Quinn as the competition Pioli spoke about is far from a "good" FA period.

I know....you should go support another team. This agony must be crushing that you are dealing with. But, don't jump off a bridge...ok?

chiefzilla1501 · 03-18-2012, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

Do you think qbs grow on trees or something? Did the qb truck drive by arrowhead and nobody came out to greet them?

The Chiefs could have cut Cassel and signed Orton to a short-term contract at a cheaper price. Instead, they kept the worse QB and we're stuck with that clown for another year.

L.A. Chieffan · 03-18-2012, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The Chiefs could have cut Cassel and signed Orton to a short-term contract at a cheaper price. Instead, they kept the worse QB and we're stuck with that clown for another year.

First of all orton signed a pretty big deal just to be the backup in Dallas. Second HES ****ING KYLE ORTON. WHO GIVES A SHIT?

chiefzilla1501 · 03-18-2012, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Orton is a 10-6

Cassel is an 8-8

Both of them get us the same result. No playoff wins or a SB.

Orton is waaaaay better, but would he benefit us long-term?

Yes, he would. First, I would never as a fan feel like the Chiefs are being blindly loyal to a bad QB. If the Chiefs signed Orton, to me that means the team recognizes that finding Orton's replacement becomes a top priority in 2013. But yes, with Orton, you have a real outside chance of postseason success. Very outside chance, but at least it's a chance. With Cassel, you have no chance.

chiefzilla1501 · 03-18-2012, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

First of Norton signed a pretty big deal just to be the backup in Dallas. Second HES ****ING KYLE ORTON. WHO GIVES A SHIT?

Blah. What?

He was given a $5M signing bonus. His contract in 2012 is worth $900,000. His contract next year is $1.4M. Matt Cassel's contract is worth $5.25M, $7.5M in 2013, and $9M in 2014.

Orton is $650,000 more expensive today and $6.1M cheaper next year. Let's face it, the only reason Orton isn't a Chief had nothing to do with money. It had nothing to do with Orton being uncomfortable getting into a QB competition with Cassel. Why? Because Orton signed a cheap contract on a team where he would become the backup. This move had everything to do with the Chiefs refusing to admit that their shitty QB is in fact shitty.

L.A. Chieffan · 03-18-2012, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Blah. What?

He was given a $5M signing bonus. His contract in 2012 is worth $900,000. His contract next year is $1.4M. Matt Cassel's contract is worth $5.25M, $7.5M in 2013, and $9M in 2014.

Orton is $650,000 more expensive today and $6.1M cheaper next year. Let's face it, the only reason Orton isn't a Chief had nothing to do with money. It had nothing to do with Orton being uncomfortable getting into a QB competition with Cassel. Why? Because Orton signed a cheap contract on a team where he would become the backup. This move had everything to do with the Chiefs refusing to admit that their shitty QB is in fact shitty.

Your point was that Orton would be cheaper THIS season had we just cut cassel and signed orton. You were wrong and you're wrong about cassel.

InChiefsHeaven · 03-18-2012, 09:01 AM

We're tied to Cassell again this season, this I'm sure of. Maybe Tannehill, but why sign Quinn? They plan will be NT in the draft, lots more depth. I doubt Tannehill falls to us and I have to believe we'd take him if he did, but I don't see us making moves to get him.

One more year of Cassell. Almost there. This kinda sucks, but at the end of the day I actually have more hope for this season.

King_Chief_Fan · 03-18-2012, 09:06 AM

[quote=InChiefsHell;8467525]We're tied to Cassell again this season, this I'm sure of. Maybe Tannehill, but why sign Quinn? They plan will be NT in the draft, lots more depth. I doubt Tannehill falls to us and I have to believe we'd take him if he did, but I don't see us making moves to get him.

One more year of Cassell. Almost there. This kinda sucks, but at the end of the day I actually have more hope for this season.[/quote]

agree....

The signing of Quinn is not competition for Cassel. It is for Stanzi. If Quinn ends up #2 on the Chiefs....Stanzi will need to be replaced as playing behind Quinn will represent major suckage on his part.

chiefzilla1501 · 03-18-2012, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

Your point was that Orton would be cheaper THIS season had we just cut cassel and signed orton. You were wrong and you're wrong about cassel.

We can afford $650,000 under our cap for 2012.

**mlyonsd** · 03-18-2012, 09:12 AM

I voted yes even though we downgraded at CB. But that was just too much money for Carr IMO.

chiefzilla1501 · 03-18-2012, 09:15 AM

I really don't understand why people are so excited about the offseason. Let's face it, the good additions we made were for players you can find in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft.

We downgraded at a first round position, who the **** knows why. And we go yet another offseason without an upgrade at the two most important positions in the game--NT and QB.

Why are people so excited about this offseason?

**mdchiefsfan** · 03-18-2012, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by sedated

No. With the cap space we had, to end up with only 1 upgrade seems like a waste. And our QB is still named Matt Cassel.

Seems Clark has succeeded in lowering expectations. After 4 years of doing exactly nothing, we sign one big name and our fan base is ready for a parade.

I disagree, Winston> Richardson, Hillis> Jones Battle, Boss> Pope, Quinn> Palko.

Not bad at all

oldman · 03-18-2012, 09:24 AM

[QUOTE=King_Chief_Fan;8467537]

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

We're tied to Cassell again this season, this I'm sure of. Maybe Tannehill, but why sign Quinn? They plan will be NT in the draft, lots more depth. I doubt Tannehill falls to us and I have to believe we'd take him if he did, but I don't see us making moves to get him.

One more year of Cassell. Almost there. This kinda sucks, but at the end of the day I actually have more hope for this season.[/quote]

agree....

The signing of Quinn is not competition for Cassel. It is for Stanzi. If Quinn ends up #2 on the Chiefs....Stanzi will need to be replaced as playing behind Quinn will represent major suckage on his part.

Sadly, this is true. I don't think any member of this board really believes we can ever win a SB with MC behind center. But QBs just don't grow on trees, so given what we had to choose from, Quinn is probably the best we could have hoped for this year.
What I am going to be pissed about is if Stanzi does not get a legit chance of being the #2 this season. Maybe you could justify with the work stoppage that Stanzi wasn't ready, but there's flat out no excuse for that this year. There really was no excuse for it 1 game into the Tyler Palko era other than Haley giving the finger to the Chiefs, their fans, and yes, Pioli. Either develop him or cut him and find someone you can develop.

chiefzilla1501 · 03-18-2012, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan

I disagree, Winston> Richardson, Hillis> Jones Battle, Boss> Pope, Quinn> Palko.

Not bad at all

Winston + Hillis + Boss + Quinn + Cassel + Routt < Richardson + Battle + Pope + Palko + Orton + Carr

Orton and Carr are top priority positions and carry the most weight in this discussion. We have to prove that this team is capable of not only finding support players, but core players too.

madmike · 03-18-2012, 09:28 AM

I will be the first to say I'm not a Cassel fan but with a legitimate WR corps and dual TEs plus the addition of a RT and Hillis he should be okay. All Cassel has to do is not lose the game with our defense. Pioli is doing a nice job of surrounding Cassel with pieces that make sure he won't look as bad as he really is.

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03-17-2012, 05:13 PM
Mr_Tomahawk Prestige Worldwide Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Spring Hill, KS Casino cash: $-179474	Would you consider the offseason FA period a success for the Chiefs? With the additions of Routt, Hillis, Boss, and now Winston; do you consider this a successful offseason thus far? If no...who else would we need to sign (realistically) in order for you to consider it a success?
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03-18-2012, 09:01 AM	#97
InChiefsHeaven Rockin' yer FACE OFF! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Casino cash: $545437	We're tied to Cassell again this season, this I'm sure of. Maybe Tannehill, but why sign Quinn? They plan will be NT in the draft, lots more depth. I doubt Tannehill falls to us and I have to believe we'd take him if he did, but I don't see us making moves to get him. One more year of Cassell. Almost there. This kinda sucks, but at the end of the day I actually have more hope for this season. __________________ We have a million reasons for failure, but not one excuse... Die Donks, DIE!! Holy Crap fellas!!! We did it!!! THREE TIMES!!!
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03-18-2012, 09:06 AM	#98
King_Chief_Fan Praise Him Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: none ya Casino cash: $4755486	[quote=InChiefsHell;8467525]We're tied to Cassell again this season, this I'm sure of. Maybe Tannehill, but why sign Quinn? They plan will be NT in the draft, lots more depth. I doubt Tannehill falls to us and I have to believe we'd take him if he did, but I don't see us making moves to get him. One more year of Cassell. Almost there. This kinda sucks, but at the end of the day I actually have more hope for this season.[/quote] agree.... The signing of Quinn is not competition for Cassel. It is for Stanzi. If Quinn ends up #2 on the Chiefs....Stanzi will need to be replaced as playing behind Quinn will represent major suckage on his part.
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03-18-2012, 09:12 AM	#100
mlyonsd Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Spink, SD Casino cash: $-2286238	I voted yes even though we downgraded at CB. But that was just too much money for Carr IMO.
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03-18-2012, 09:15 AM	#101
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1825503	I really don't understand why people are so excited about the offseason. Let's face it, the good additions we made were for players you can find in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft. We downgraded at a first round position, who the **** knows why. And we go yet another offseason without an upgrade at the two most important positions in the game--NT and QB. Why are people so excited about this offseason?
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03-18-2012, 09:28 AM	#105
madmike Rookie Join Date: Nov 2011 Casino cash: $10004900	I will be the first to say I'm not a Cassel fan but with a legitimate WR corps and dual TEs plus the addition of a RT and Hillis he should be okay. All Cassel has to do is not lose the game with our defense. Pioli is doing a nice job of surrounding Cassel with pieces that make sure he won't look as bad as he really is.
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