Don Stephenson

[KevB]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Isn't it great drafting people to replace our previous draft picks so we don't have to sign our good players to a second contract?

Why are you saying this? Resigned Hali, Charles, DJ and Flowers. Carr wanted to leave. Bowe talk is rumors.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by KevB

Why are you saying this? Resigned Hali, Charles, DJ and Flowers. Carr wanted to leave. Bowe talk is rumors.

I was referring to this in the OP:

I think he is a nice hedge against Albert leaving in a year.

I keep seeing people say the Chiefs should draft so and so so they don't have to re-sign Carr/Bowe/Dorsey/Albert etc (I know in some cases, like Carr, you have no choice). I just think it's dumb to let good players walk and then burn a high pick to replace them.

In this case, I have no idea if Pioli took him for that reason or just because he felt he was BPA.

[buddha]

Originally Posted by Frosty

I was referring to this in the OP:



I keep seeing people say the Chiefs should draft so and so so they don't have to re-sign Carr/Bowe/Dorsey/Albert etc (I know in some cases, like Carr, you have no choice). I just think it's dumb to let good players walk and then burn a high pick to replace them.

In this case, I have no idea if Pioli took him for that reason or just because he felt he was BPA.

Frosty, all most people have done on CP for weeks is bitch about our lack of a quality QB, right? In the process, we have seen countless posts about how meaningless our offensive line is (strangely, the Chiefs apparently disagree).

Free agency means guys can sign anywhere they want to sign, right? You seem to complain no matter what the circumstance, so answer this...what would you have the Chiefs do? Not have somebody ready to take over if Albert leaves? Is that wise in your opinion? What is Albert gets hurt? We have NOTHING behind him...all o-line depth was gone prior to today.

You don't just let good players walk, but you can't stick your head in the sand and assume that any team will be able to keep all of their free agents.

I don't want to resign Dorsey, for instance. He doesn't make sense for this defense and he costs way too much for what he produces. Carr was a loss, but hopefully not one we can't replace.

BTW, compensatory picks are a really good thing. Carr is going to play a lot in Dallas. That means KC will get a high draft pick from the NFL because Carr left KC with no compensation being given in return.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by buddha

Free agency means guys can sign anywhere they want to sign, right? You seem to complain no matter what the circumstance, so answer this...what would you have the Chiefs do? Not have somebody ready to take over if Albert leaves? Is that wise in your opinion? What is Albert gets hurt? We have NOTHING behind him...all o-line depth was gone prior to today.

All I do is complain? Yeah, that's really been my MO in the 11+ years I've been here. Feel free to bite me.

I've discussed it plenty in the draft thread but I wouldn't worry about replacing Albert until I actually had to. They did pick up a nice player in the 2nd who could have backed up the tackle position in a pinch. Also, this is a fairly deep o-line draft and there are still some decent tackles available if you want to provide depth. As I discussed (not complained) before, it seems like a high #3 pick should be used on someone that will get on the field, either as a starter, a ST player and/or a rotation player. QB and O-line are kind of unique in that they don't tend to share time like other positions, so a backup tackle is only going to see the field in an emergency.

However, after thinking about it for a while, I think they were fully intent on taking the safety Taylor there. When SD sniped him, they simply took the BPA, which happened to be a LT. So be it. Pioli did a nice job of extending Flowers, Charles and Hali so I hope he can extend Albert and Bowe and we don't have to waste a pick in the future to replace those guys.

BTW, I agree that Dorsey probably won't be back unless it's super cheap. He hasn't really fit since the change to a 3-4, though he's done as well as can be expected. I would have understood taking Brockers in the first because of that.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by acesn8s

Does this work for QB as well?

The said QB still has a few years in his first contract.

Originally Posted by Frosty

However, after thinking about it for a while, I think they were fully intent on taking the safety Taylor there. When SD sniped him, they simply took the BPA, which happened to be a LT.

I highly doubt that Stephenson was the BPA at that point. When I look at the players taken after him, some seem to be more highly regarded, at least according to draft 'gurus.'

Originally Posted by Frosty

BTW, I agree that Dorsey probably won't be back unless it's super cheap. He hasn't really fit since the change to a 3-4, though he's done as well as can be expected. I would have understood taking Brockers in the first because of that.

This pretty much is a predictor of our 1st rounder next year. Sorry folks, it won't be a QB.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Frankie

I highly doubt that Stephenson was the BPA at that point. When I look at the players taken after him, some seem to be more highly regarded, at least according to draft 'gurus.'

Several reports had him very high in the 3rd.

Originally Posted by Frankie

This pretty much is a predictor of our 1st rounder next year. Sorry folks, it won't be a QB.

You don't have to fill the DE with a first.

That said, I saw quite a few projections before the draft that Poe projected more to a 5 tech than a NT. We might be seeing Poe at DE and Powe at NT next year. Who knows?

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by KevB

Why are you saying this? Resigned Hali, Charles, DJ and Flowers. Carr wanted to leave. Bowe talk is rumors.

We let one player walk, IT'S THE BEGINNING OF THE END!!

[buddha]

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan

We let one player walk, IT'S THE BEGINNING OF THE END!!

Well said. Let's see how Carr responds when he has to be the #1 CB. Flowers carried the load last year and did it well. Carr may develop into something special, but he's replaceable.

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by buddha

Well said. Let's see how Carr responds when he has to be the #1 CB. Flowers carried the load last year and did it well. Carr may develop into something special, but he's replaceable.

With Claiborne there I wonder if he will be the #1 for long. They paid him (Carr) for it but made up for that by drafting the best corner available; pisses me off.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by KevB

Why are you saying this? Resigned Hali, Charles, DJ and Flowers. Carr wanted to leave. Bowe talk is rumors.

and others could be following in Carrs footsteps/mentality very soon. (Bowe, Albert, Dorsey)

if those guys want money, they wont find it with the Chiefs, that's for sure

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

and others could be following in Carrs footsteps/mentality very soon. (Bowe, Albert, Dorsey)

if those guys want money, they wont find it with the Chiefs, that's for sure

They could be following Carr's footsteps or they could follow Hali, Johnson, Charles, Flowers' footsteps, why jump to conclusions and assume the worst?

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan

They could be following Carr's footsteps or they could follow Hali, Johnson, Charles, Flowers' footsteps, why jump to conclusions and assume the worst?

because signing all three to contracts they would want would put us in cap hell. 1 of them definitely walks, maybe 2. it doesnt and will never make sense financially to tie all 3 guys up in the offseason to long term deals. impossible. We wouldnt be able to spend the following season