Chiefs CP grades the Chiefs' draft - Page 3

**mlyonsd** · 04-28-2012, 05:19 PM

Poll forthcoming.

Mecca · 04-28-2012, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

B-

I think they became fixated on certain positions where we don't really have a need. I can see the possibility that 3 people in the draft don't even make the 53. We did a poor job in building depth at TE and safety which were huge concerns going into the draft.

This was the worst TE/Safety draft in forever, those were the thinnest positions.

**TimeForWasp** · 04-28-2012, 05:46 PM

Good draft. Best in the West.

philfree · 04-28-2012, 05:46 PM

I gave it a A-. We addressed our biggest need at NT (yeah Cassel I know) by picking the highest ceiling prospect on the board in Poe. He might bust but if we're grading today then it's a great pick.

We also addressed the O line which was a designated upgrade by Pioli and Co. We landed a guy who can start immediately at G and play both Tackle spots and we also landed a LOT of the future.

We addressed the much needed depth at S as well as RB.

All that spells pretty good draft to me. It's silly to grade it today though. We probably ought to give it a little more time.

**the Talking Can** · 04-28-2012, 05:46 PM

C+ with B+ upside entirely dependent on poe

nothing really exciting...some solid mid-to-late round picks, hit all our needs except QB

not one automatic day 1 starter in the whole bunch

consensus on Allen is he'll be a starter sooner than later, good pick
Stephensen is a developmental tackle...no clue if he is worth the pick
Wylie is the second fatest WR at combine, we needed speed and got it..credit for that even though he's probably nothing
Menzie comes from best 3-4 defense in college, and from a stud secondary...surprise pick but i like
Gray is excellent value in the 6th, imo...this pick made me happy
Long is 3-4 DE who made a lot of tackles, high motor...7th round, what do you want?
Hemingway...flyer on skill player, played big time football...like it

poe is a risk and a project...if he doesn't become wilfork that pick should cost pioli his job

Cassel is still our QB and no one else on the roster is worth a nickle..we'll go into year 5 with Cassel still as our QB, that is so insane there are no words

**BossChief** · 04-28-2012, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by qabbaan

Look at the vote distribution.

From the bitchfest threads you'd think F would win in a landslide... Guess its just a vocal few.

Most of the people crying about this draft need to get over themselves.

So what if they didn't take the guys you wanted them to take....none of us have 10% of the information front offices have about these kids.

**kysirsoze** · 04-28-2012, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

C+ with B+ upside entirely dependent on poe

nothing really exciting...some solid mid-to-late round picks, hit all our needs except QB

not one automatic day 1 starter in the whole bunch

consensus on Allen is he'll be a starter sooner than later, good pick
Stephensen is a developmental tackle...no clue if he is worth the pick
Wylie is the second fatest WR at combine, we needed speed and got it..credit for that even though he's probably nothing
Menzie comes from best 3-4 defense in college, and from a stud secondary...surprise pick but i like
Gray is excellent value in the 6th, imo...this pick made me happy
Long is 3-4 DE who made a lot of tackles, high motor...7th round, what do you want?
Hemingway...flyer on skill player, played big time football...like it

poe is a risk and a project...if he doesn't become wilfork that pick should cost pioli his job

Cassel is still our QB and no one else on the roster is worth a nickle..we'll go into year 5 with Cassel still as our QB, that is so insane there are no words

All of this. Only difference is I ended up with a more optomistic B, hoping that with some good coaching Poe is going to be great.

Coogs · 04-28-2012, 05:55 PM

I gave it a solid B for right now. It wasn't a sexy draft, but if the players we seclected pan out... look out!

Fairplay · 04-28-2012, 06:01 PM

I gave it a B. Seems do be the consensus of the posters.

O.city · 04-28-2012, 06:05 PM

I look at it this way.

If this draft pans out how they hope it will, which it could or it couldn't don't know yet, our only hole left to fill is the quarterback.

You can trade away picks Redskins style next year and go get the guy you want.

**Easy 6** · 04-28-2012, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoman69

B-

I think they became fixated on certain positions where we don't really have a need. I can see the possibility that 3 people in the draft don't even make the 53. We did a poor job in building depth at TE and safety which were huge concerns going into the draft.

I'll go flat B, yes te isnt deep, but theres plenty enough receiver & back talent right now to work around that if need be.

Heck, the way Baldwins getting all swoll, he could fill in as a receiving te if called upon.

**AustinChief** · 04-28-2012, 06:10 PM

People are going to hate this comparison... but picks like these are what made the Patriots great. Solid, contributors and depth... with one possible game changer/boom/bust type of pick.

We are not just a QB away from being all-world Superbowl bound... but we are only a QB away from being a legit team for the first time in a long time.

Chiefshrink · 04-28-2012, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

They lost me with Wylie and Menzie, but they regained me with a strong closing trio of Gray, Long, and Hemingway. Gray is the jack-of-all-trades guy you need to succeed, Hemingway is solid WR depth, and Long is the kind of small program gamble you take. 70 tackles with 5 sacks is crazy from the 2- and 3-tech position, which is where he played last year with SDSU.

The midrounds really bummed me out, and my cooler head prevailed with the first three. The last three were very good selections.

I give it a C+ for now, but in three years I can see this being something crazy like an A+ if Poe and Stephenson hit their ceilings and we actually find something for Wylie to do.

You are wrong about Wylie

KCDC · 04-28-2012, 06:19 PM

I gave it an average grade -- C. Of course, with grade inflation in schools, I think average grade is now B+.

Pioli executed no smart trades. He let everyone trade up in front of us to take the guys we wanted. Our draft board was obvious. Granted the board fell wrong to us, he could have traded back in the 2nd or 3rd and received a few more picks. He needed a better Safety. We ignored a couple of good TEs that slipped. There are no good Safety free agents. Otagwe is basically Pollard. So, we will be hurting there. Menzie might convert, but we have a poor track record of converting CBs to safeties, and vice versa.

Poe is the key to this draft. If he busts, this is a D draft. If he becomes a monster, this becomes an A- draft. If he is just "solid" then it stays a C.

I'd have liked a QB. Maybe as a free agent we can sign some safety and QB, but we should have used a 7th to get B.J. Coleman. It would have been a better signal to Cassel that his days are numbered. The Pack scout good late round QBs. We ignore them. So much for the statement that we take a QB each draft. Pioli better sign Moore as a FA. He won't be a star in this league but at least TRY to find a QB for God's sake.

Chiefshrink · 04-28-2012, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief

People are going to hate this comparison... but picks like these are what made the Patriots great. Solid, contributors and depth... with one possible game changer/boom/bust type of pick.

We are not just a QB away from being all-world Superbowl bound... but we are only a QB away from being a legit team for the first time in a long time.

Agreed.

The Dawg · 04-28-2012, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

I will come grade this draft in 3 years just like I always do...

Exactly. Truth is nobody knows how this draft class will turn out right now.

View Poll Results: Rate our draft
A+	7	3.54%
A	3	1.52%
A-	2	1.01%
B+	18	9.09%
B	54	27.27%
B-	27	13.64%
C+	27	13.64%
C	25	12.63%
C-	8	4.04%
D+	5	2.53%
D	7	3.54%
D-	3	1.52%
F+	0	0%
F	2	1.01%
F-	8	4.04%
I don't want to go on record because I'm chicken	2	1.01%
Voters: 198. You may not vote on this poll

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philfree Indian Twitter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Free Agency Casino cash: $-2213802	I gave it a A-. We addressed our biggest need at NT (yeah Cassel I know) by picking the highest ceiling prospect on the board in Poe. He might bust but if we're grading today then it's a great pick. We also addressed the O line which was a designated upgrade by Pioli and Co. We landed a guy who can start immediately at G and play both Tackle spots and we also landed a LOT of the future. We addressed the much needed depth at S as well as RB. All that spells pretty good draft to me. It's silly to grade it today though. We probably ought to give it a little more time. __________________ [/SIGPIC]
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04-28-2012, 05:46 PM	#34
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9162208	C+ with B+ upside entirely dependent on poe nothing really exciting...some solid mid-to-late round picks, hit all our needs except QB not one automatic day 1 starter in the whole bunch consensus on Allen is he'll be a starter sooner than later, good pick Stephensen is a developmental tackle...no clue if he is worth the pick Wylie is the second fatest WR at combine, we needed speed and got it..credit for that even though he's probably nothing Menzie comes from best 3-4 defense in college, and from a stud secondary...surprise pick but i like Gray is excellent value in the 6th, imo...this pick made me happy Long is 3-4 DE who made a lot of tackles, high motor...7th round, what do you want? Hemingway...flyer on skill player, played big time football...like it poe is a risk and a project...if he doesn't become wilfork that pick should cost pioli his job Cassel is still our QB and no one else on the roster is worth a nickle..we'll go into year 5 with Cassel still as our QB, that is so insane there are no words __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $-2265651	I gave it a solid B for right now. It wasn't a sexy draft, but if the players we seclected pan out... look out!
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04-28-2012, 06:01 PM	#38
Fairplay A certain set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: texas Casino cash: $10026683 VARSITY	I gave it a B. Seems do be the consensus of the posters.
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04-28-2012, 06:05 PM	#39
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-725936	I look at it this way. If this draft pans out how they hope it will, which it could or it couldn't don't know yet, our only hole left to fill is the quarterback. You can trade away picks Redskins style next year and go get the guy you want.
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04-28-2012, 06:10 PM	#41
AustinChief Administrator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Austin Casino cash: $-744998	People are going to hate this comparison... but picks like these are what made the Patriots great. Solid, contributors and depth... with one possible game changer/boom/bust type of pick. We are not just a QB away from being all-world Superbowl bound... but we are only a QB away from being a legit team for the first time in a long time.
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04-28-2012, 06:19 PM	#43
KCDC Starter Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $9616110	I gave it an average grade -- C. Of course, with grade inflation in schools, I think average grade is now B+. Pioli executed no smart trades. He let everyone trade up in front of us to take the guys we wanted. Our draft board was obvious. Granted the board fell wrong to us, he could have traded back in the 2nd or 3rd and received a few more picks. He needed a better Safety. We ignored a couple of good TEs that slipped. There are no good Safety free agents. Otagwe is basically Pollard. So, we will be hurting there. Menzie might convert, but we have a poor track record of converting CBs to safeties, and vice versa. Poe is the key to this draft. If he busts, this is a D draft. If he becomes a monster, this becomes an A- draft. If he is just "solid" then it stays a C. I'd have liked a QB. Maybe as a free agent we can sign some safety and QB, but we should have used a 7th to get B.J. Coleman. It would have been a better signal to Cassel that his days are numbered. The Pack scout good late round QBs. We ignore them. So much for the statement that we take a QB each draft. Pioli better sign Moore as a FA. He won't be a star in this league but at least TRY to find a QB for God's sake.
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