Chiefs Are You Happy With Allen At 44? - Page 3

**BossChief** · 04-27-2012, 06:20 PM

We needed a versatile linemen and it seems we got one.

acesn8s · 04-27-2012, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Won't start this year, but Mayock called him "a day one starter" at guard obviously. So yeah, it's not sexy, but I like it. Crazy to think Pioli has rebuilt the entire OL save LT. Done it without overvaluing olinemen in the 1st round taking them in the 2nd and 3rd and of course a super savvy free agent pickup in Winston.

This "no real needs" thing might become a trend for the Chiefs. Next year I think we have a very similar situation, and might be in a position to package picks to move up to take a QB.

Right after we address the defensive line....again. BTW the oline is not fixed til proven otherwise.

Saccopoo · 04-27-2012, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

Yeah, it's not possible Stephenson is just the backup for now, or that the guy tabbed to be a left guard is gonna be the left guard.

It's gonna take a very good left tackle to unseat Albert. He would need to be one of the top 10 left tackles in the league most likely. Finding one of those in the third round doesn't happen often.

I'd love to be a smart ass in response, but you wouldn't get it.

Albert is mediocre. At least last season. Prior to that, he was ****ing horrible. Not good. Mediocre. And I don't give a shit to whatever meaningless stat you pull up from PFF that you so enjoy this past season. He's got terrible footwork and he's always going to be a lunge blocker. Watch the games.

And with high picks of Allen and Stephenson (both of which have substantially better foot work than Albert), it's a hedge against having to pay Albert top left tackle money versus the actualy on field production value that he has.

Hammock Parties · 04-27-2012, 11:12 PM

The guy gave up 5 sacks and 13 pressures all year.

Those aren't meaningless statistics.

Stephenson isn't even gonna see the field as a right tackle this year. How's he gonna get enough PT to develop and take Albert's spot in one year.

Dream on, dipshit.

kcchiefsus · 04-27-2012, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

Yeah, it's not possible Stephenson is just the backup for now, or that the guy tabbed to be a left guard is gonna be the left guard.

It's gonna take a very good left tackle to unseat Albert. He would need to be one of the top 10 left tackles in the league most likely. Finding one of those in the third round doesn't happen often.

Sac is a dumb****, let's not pretend he knows what he's talking about.

The Dawg · 04-27-2012, 11:14 PM

Loved this pick. We need all the help we can get on the O-Line. Starters and depth.

Hammock Parties · 04-27-2012, 11:14 PM

And FYI, Albert had a very ****ing solid rookie year, and everyone here but you acknowledges it.

okcchief · 04-27-2012, 11:16 PM

It's a solid pick.

Pasta Little Brioni · 04-28-2012, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Sucks.

They took a fifth/sixth rounder in the second.

But then again, this draft has been a weird one from that perspective. A lot of guys are getting drafted that should/may have been there a lot later than their drafted positions.

Bullshit

Your boner for Konz is showing.

**Rain Man** · 04-29-2012, 08:53 AM

What's the deal with this guy? I've looked up a couple of things on him and he was projected as a 6th-7th rounder by different sources. Did he mutilate the combine or something?

**Rausch** · 04-29-2012, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

The upside is saying adios to Lilja.

I hope.

This. Unless Lilja is there for depth do not want...

**Rausch** · 04-29-2012, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

What's the deal with this guy? I've looked up a couple of things on him and he was projected as a 6th-7th rounder by different sources. Did he mutilate the combine or something?

The difference in skill sets for a G and a T.

Slow feet at G don't hurt as much as when you have to take on pass rushers on the edge at T...

philfree · 04-29-2012, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

What's the deal with this guy? I've looked up a couple of things on him and he was projected as a 6th-7th rounder by different sources. Did he mutilate the combine or something?

I haven't seen that. Scouts Inc had him at #36 and then I've seen him on the other side listed at #60something a couple places and then a #70something.

As fans we just have to realize that the player rankings we see on various websites isn't an NFL team draft board. Massie was listed ahead of Allen on everyboard I've seen and yet he was on the board alot longer. I'll go out on a limb and say that in our situation trying to upgrade the o line and add depth to it that Pioli had a high value on versatility.

philfree · 04-29-2012, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

This. Unless Lilja is there for depth do not want...

I can see Lilja start the season as the starter. Do we really want to start the season with a new young C and then put a rookie beside him at LG?

L.A. Chieffan · 04-29-2012, 05:56 PM

I'm down

JohnnyHammersticks · 04-29-2012, 06:16 PM

Michael Lombardi loves the Allen pick.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...ed-draft-picks

Oscar Wilde once said, "What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing."

This applies perfectly to the NFL draft. There's no need to be cynical when assessing how teams drafted. Some teams did great, some did decently and others need to be judged over time. No one be said to have done poorly yet; determining that takes more than 24 hours.

However, I do know the value of finding championship-caliber starting players, and the 2012 NFL Draft was full of 'em. In trying to determine the best value picks, I have excluded the first round, because the price of picking there makes it impossible to get a bargain. There are no discount stores on Rodeo Drive.

So here are my top 12 value picks in the 2012 NFL Draft:

1. Jeff Allen, OT/OG, Kansas City (44th pick overall). The ex-Illinois grinder can play multiple positions along the offensive line. He is tough, smart and will be a starter soon.

2. Mike Adams, OT, Pittsburgh (56th). Besides Matt Kalil, Adams was the best left tackle prospect in the draft. The Ohio State Buckeye's off-field issues caused concern for many teams, but Pittsburgh seems to think it can work through these problems. And when the Steelers do, they will have a quality left tackle for an incredible value.

3. Demario Davis, LB, N.Y. Jets (77th). Out of Arkansas State, Davis is a fast linebacker with great rush ability who can play all three downs. He will bring much-needed speed to the Jets' slow linebacking corps.

4. Akiem Hicks, DE, New Orleans (89th). With their first pick in the draft, the Saints found a defensive lineman with great size and even greater upside, which is normally hard to do in the third round. The Canadian college star epitomizes great value.

5. Omar Bolden, CB, Denver (101st). The Arizona State product would have been picked late in the first or early in the second round, had he not injured his knee last spring. Though it might take some time for him to get healthy, once he is, I fully expect him to regain his talent level and become a starter for the Broncos.

6. Frank Alexander, DE, Carolina (103rd). Alexander has great arm length and inside quickness, and he seems to have a knack for making plays. The ex-Sooner should be able to contribute to the Panthers defense right away.

7. Tank Carder, LB, Buffalo (147th). Carder, of TCU, is an instinctive three-down player who can become a starter for the Bills, giving them a linebacker with much-needed speed and athletic skills.

8. Jack Crawford, DE, Oakland (158th). Like the Saints, the Raiders did not have many picks, but they got a nice value by finding Crawford in the fifth round. The Penn State product is big, raw and willing to learn. In 2013, the Raiders could have a starting defensive lineman.

9. Vick Ballard, RB, Indianapolis (170th). Ballard is a productive back with burst acceleration and the ability to play on all three downs. The ex-Mississippi State star might not be the fastest back on the Colts' roster, but he will be the best very soon.

10. Billy Winn, DT, Cleveland (205th). Winn was a medical concern coming out of Boise State, which is why he slipped to the sixth round. But if his health checks out, he is capable of being a good rotational inside defensive lineman.

11. Caleb McSurdy, LB, Dallas (222nd). McSurdy might never start for Dallas, but he is capable of being a core special-teams member and playing a role in the Cowboys' sub defense. He is smart, tough and willing, which makes him a real value in the seventh round.

12. Cam Johnson, DE, San Francisco (237th). Johnson's great athletic skills often didn't translate into production. He will be playing for a competitive coach in Jim Harbaugh who is capable of finding a way to bring that skill level to the football field.

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04-27-2012, 11:12 PM	#33
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $810478	The guy gave up 5 sacks and 13 pressures all year. Those aren't meaningless statistics. Stephenson isn't even gonna see the field as a right tackle this year. How's he gonna get enough PT to develop and take Albert's spot in one year. Dream on, dipshit. __________________ Chiefs game films
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04-27-2012, 11:14 PM	#36
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $810478	And FYI, Albert had a very ****ing solid rookie year, and everyone here but you acknowledges it. __________________ Chiefs game films
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Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-672449 VARSITY	What's the deal with this guy? I've looked up a couple of things on him and he was projected as a 6th-7th rounder by different sources. Did he mutilate the combine or something? __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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04-29-2012, 06:16 PM	#45
JohnnyHammersticks MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Chandler AZ Casino cash: $-559996	Michael Lombardi loves the Allen pick. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...ed-draft-picks Oscar Wilde once said, "What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing." This applies perfectly to the NFL draft. There's no need to be cynical when assessing how teams drafted. Some teams did great, some did decently and others need to be judged over time. No one be said to have done poorly yet; determining that takes more than 24 hours. However, I do know the value of finding championship-caliber starting players, and the 2012 NFL Draft was full of 'em. In trying to determine the best value picks, I have excluded the first round, because the price of picking there makes it impossible to get a bargain. There are no discount stores on Rodeo Drive. So here are my top 12 value picks in the 2012 NFL Draft: 1. Jeff Allen, OT/OG, Kansas City (44th pick overall). The ex-Illinois grinder can play multiple positions along the offensive line. He is tough, smart and will be a starter soon. 2. Mike Adams, OT, Pittsburgh (56th). Besides Matt Kalil, Adams was the best left tackle prospect in the draft. The Ohio State Buckeye's off-field issues caused concern for many teams, but Pittsburgh seems to think it can work through these problems. And when the Steelers do, they will have a quality left tackle for an incredible value. 3. Demario Davis, LB, N.Y. Jets (77th). Out of Arkansas State, Davis is a fast linebacker with great rush ability who can play all three downs. He will bring much-needed speed to the Jets' slow linebacking corps. 4. Akiem Hicks, DE, New Orleans (89th). With their first pick in the draft, the Saints found a defensive lineman with great size and even greater upside, which is normally hard to do in the third round. The Canadian college star epitomizes great value. 5. Omar Bolden, CB, Denver (101st). The Arizona State product would have been picked late in the first or early in the second round, had he not injured his knee last spring. Though it might take some time for him to get healthy, once he is, I fully expect him to regain his talent level and become a starter for the Broncos. 6. Frank Alexander, DE, Carolina (103rd). Alexander has great arm length and inside quickness, and he seems to have a knack for making plays. The ex-Sooner should be able to contribute to the Panthers defense right away. 7. Tank Carder, LB, Buffalo (147th). Carder, of TCU, is an instinctive three-down player who can become a starter for the Bills, giving them a linebacker with much-needed speed and athletic skills. 8. Jack Crawford, DE, Oakland (158th). Like the Saints, the Raiders did not have many picks, but they got a nice value by finding Crawford in the fifth round. The Penn State product is big, raw and willing to learn. In 2013, the Raiders could have a starting defensive lineman. 9. Vick Ballard, RB, Indianapolis (170th). Ballard is a productive back with burst acceleration and the ability to play on all three downs. The ex-Mississippi State star might not be the fastest back on the Colts' roster, but he will be the best very soon. 10. Billy Winn, DT, Cleveland (205th). Winn was a medical concern coming out of Boise State, which is why he slipped to the sixth round. But if his health checks out, he is capable of being a good rotational inside defensive lineman. 11. Caleb McSurdy, LB, Dallas (222nd). McSurdy might never start for Dallas, but he is capable of being a core special-teams member and playing a role in the Cowboys' sub defense. He is smart, tough and willing, which makes him a real value in the seventh round. 12. Cam Johnson, DE, San Francisco (237th). Johnson's great athletic skills often didn't translate into production. He will be playing for a competitive coach in Jim Harbaugh who is capable of finding a way to bring that skill level to the football field.
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