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Old 04-30-2012, 11:57 AM   #1
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You're wrong.

A team that went 7-9 against a HARD schedule while missing its best players on offense and defense, a key contributor on offense, and playing backup QBs for almost half the season?

That's not bottom-third talent. That's, at the very least, mid-third talent. I'd put us towards the top of the mid third.
They'd have gone 6-10 with Cassel as the starter all season, IMO. Cassel wins the Steelers game and loses both of the games that Orton won. The backup QB argument doesn't wash - they had a better QB for nearly 20% of the season than they're going to have next year.

Then they punted the draft.

Given the fact that they're getting 3 good players back in some capacity (maybe 100%...until Moeaki gets hurt again), they should be better. And the Winston pickup will help a great deal.

They're still a 1 and done squad at their best.
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:04 PM   #2
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They'd have gone 6-10 with Cassel as the starter all season, IMO. Cassel wins the Steelers game and loses both of the games that Orton won. The backup QB argument doesn't wash - they had a better QB for nearly 20% of the season than they're going to have next year.
Doesn't matter how talented the guy is in Orton's case, because Cassel's been taking the 1st string snaps since camp opened.

So while Cassel's not exactly the best QB in the league, he's had months of preparation as the #1 guy on the roster over everybody else. And almost 6 months of prep over Orton.

It's different if we're talking on paper, but we're not. We're talking about the heat of the season -- Orton came in with basically a couple weeks of training and we were still able to win with that.

Thanks, partially, to his great effort. Thanks, partially, to a relatively talented team.

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Then they punted the draft.
Where they finally finished our transition to the 3-4, and fortified our offensive line, and stacked the team with relatively solid depth, which people like yourself have been begging us to do for how long?

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Given the fact that they're getting 3 good players back in some capacity (maybe 100%...until Moeaki gets hurt again), they should be better. And the Winston pickup will help a great deal.

They're still a 1 and done squad at their best.
I don't disagree.

The Chiefs still have work to go. Acquiring better talent, and developing the talent they have.

But let's call a spade a spade here. This is not a Bottom 10 team.
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:15 PM   #3
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But let's call a spade a spade here. This is not a Bottom 10 team.
Remove QB from the equation and I'm 100% comfortable saying they're not a bottom 10 team. I'd still argue they're not a top 10 team, but at least not a bottom 10.

With Matt Cassel under center, there's no way in hell I'm comfortable categorically stating that this in not a bottom 10 team.
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:19 PM   #4
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Remove QB from the equation and I'm 100% comfortable saying they're not a bottom 10 team. I'd still argue they're not a top 10 team, but at least not a bottom 10.

With Matt Cassel under center, there's no way in hell I'm comfortable categorically stating that this in not a bottom 10 team.
This is a necessary repost.

On top of Cassel, we still have Brian Daboll as offensive coordinator, who has historically been crap as a coordinator. Then there is Romeo, who has exactly *one* playoff season as a head coach.

Regardless of how you feel our draft went and how it sets us up for this season and seasons to come, we still have to overcome Cassel and Daboll's shortcomings, which is going to take more than good intentions and a smile.
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:21 PM   #5
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This is a necessary repost.

On top of Cassel, we still have Brian Daboll as offensive coordinator, who has historically been crap as a coordinator. Then there is Romeo, who has exactly *one* playoff season as a head coach.

Regardless of how you feel our draft went and how it sets us up for this season and seasons to come, we still have to overcome Cassel and Daboll's shortcomings, which is going to take more than good intentions and a smile.
Pure hate.
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:24 PM   #6
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Pure hate.
Again, all due respect, but get off the cross.

I won't speak for asshat Laz, but I haven't slung "hate" around in this thread at all.

You want to swim against the stream on this team on CP?

Be ready to handle it.
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:26 PM   #7
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Again, all due respect, but get off the cross.

I won't speak for asshat Laz, but I haven't slung "hate" around in this thread at all.

You want to swim against the stream on this team on CP?

Be ready to handle it.
Necessary re-post.

Laz is certainly an asshat.
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:49 PM   #8
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Again, all due respect, but get off the cross.

I won't speak for asshat Laz, but I haven't slung "hate" around in this thread at all.

You want to swim against the stream on this team on CP?

Be ready to handle it.
I mentioned the hate in an earlier post, tongue-in-cheek.

Of course he ran with it like a 12 yr old. LOL
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Pure hate.
You forgot "unmitigated" and/or "unsubstantiated".
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