Who was "the Steal of the Draft?"

[Frankie]

What player did you have an eye on that went way lower than your expectation? Why?

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Except that "the first round pick" would've actually been three first round picks, plus even more as the Rams would've had to fall back further than the 6 spot had they dealt with us.

The Skins paid dearly for the right to move up. In the end, it may be worth it. But giving up 3 first rounders plus a couple of 2nd rounders for 1 player cannot be considered a 'steal'.

EXACTLY.

[Sully]

I'm going to change your definition a little, and say Luck.
You have over a decade of a HOF QB, and he misses the season the year before one of the best QB prospects in years is going to be the top pick? That's a ****ing steal.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by Sully

I'm going to change your definition a little, and say Luck.
You have over a decade of a HOF QB, and he misses the season the year before one of the best QB prospects in years is going to be the top pick? That's a ****ing steal.

Yes it is.

The name of their #1 draft choice is the most apt I have ever seen. It's like Hollywood scripted it.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The Bengals raped this draft. Just absolutely crushed it.

I don't think they made a single pick that I'd grade below a B+. Just a fantastic job by those guys.

I wasn't paying attention during the draft....but I went back and looked afterwards.....and holy shit.....they kill the thing.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Sully

I'm going to change your definition a little, and say Luck.
You have over a decade of a HOF QB, and he misses the season the year before one of the best QB prospects in years is going to be the top pick? That's a ****ing steal.

As far as the fan goes it is especially a steal to only have 1 bad year between Peyton Manning and Luck. Assuming Luck turns into what he is supposed to be.

It is all very convient how it worked out for them. They didn't even win a game until they were guaranteed one of the top 2 picks. Won 2 in a row and then lose the last game.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Except that "the first round pick" would've actually been three first round picks, plus even more as the Rams would've had to fall back further than the 6 spot had they dealt with us.

The Skins paid dearly for the right to move up. In the end, it may be worth it. But giving up 3 first rounders plus a couple of 2nd rounders for 1 player cannot be considered a 'steal'.

I do not understand the logic behind saying the Skins gave up three first-rounders. Literally, yes. But they received a first-round pick this year, right? Would I give up a first next year and a first in '14 for the right to pick a potential franchise QB? In a heartbeat.

Too bad Pioli doesn't feel the same way. Thus, we're going to have to hope that luck or divine intervention lead the way to a SB in KC.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I do not understand the logic behind saying the Skins gave up three first-rounders. Literally, yes. But they received a first-round pick this year, right? Would I give up a first next year and a first in '14 for the right to pick a potential franchise QB? In a heartbeat.

Too bad Pioli doesn't feel the same way. Thus, we're going to have to hope that luck or divine intervention lead the way to a SB in KC.

It's an argument worth making. But to call it a 'steal' is absurd.

It would've probably taken our 1st rounder for three seasons as well as our 2nd for 2 of them. Sure - there are worst case scenario arguments (would you give up Jackson, Poe, Dorsey, McCluster and Arenas for RGIII) but there are also best case scenario arguments (Berry, Bowe, Albert, Flowers, Hudson).

I know it's a QB league - but giving up that 2nd group of 5 for RGIII would've been insane. I know the ideologues want to argue that no price is too high for a franchise QB, but that's not true; at least it's not true as it relates to draft picks at QB that have maybe a 75% chance of hitting. Elite QBs are force multipliers in this league, to be sure - but multiplying by zero is still zero. At some point sanity must prevail.

But there's also a chance your package becomes the first group of five, which is why I won't say the Skins got screwed.

In the end - RGIII was not a steal. He was an extremely valuable commodity and the Redskins gave up a shitload to get him.

But that doesn't stop the guys that think they're cute from citing him. Same as the Luck picks - yeah, Luck should totally have gone higher than #1 overall. Total robbery from the Colts.

Whatever; sometimes people just like to think they're clever. Good for them.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It's an argument worth making. But to call it a 'steal' is absurd.

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How many times can a team trade up into the top 2 to get a blue chip franchise QB?

[DJ's left nut]

I would imagine there are very few seasons where a team cannot give up 3 firsts and 2 2nds to move up 4 spots.

Watch - next season there will be a chance to move up to 2 if a team is willing to give up that kind of haul for it.

[ChiefRocka]

Kellen Moore

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Except that "the first round pick" would've actually been three first round picks, plus even more as the Rams would've had to fall back further than the 6 spot had they dealt with us.

The Skins paid dearly for the right to move up. In the end, it may be worth it. But giving up 3 first rounders plus a couple of 2nd rounders for 1 player cannot be considered a 'steal'.

It all depends on the player. I think RG3 is the type of player that whoever gets him-even at what it cost Washington--or what it would of cost us is a steal.

RG3 would make this team a perennial SB contender. Any player that does that is a steal--regardless of where they are picked or what they cost.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I would imagine there are very few seasons where a team cannot give up 3 firsts and 2 2nds to move up 4 spots.

Watch - next season there will be a chance to move up to 2 if a team is willing to give up that kind of haul for it.

Two elite QB prospects, and luck would have it that the team in the 2 hole didn't need the position (or so they assume). That's pretty rare territory, since being a shit team and lacking a QB tend to go hand-in-hand in this league.

It's just getting pretty old always having to say, "Well, next year..."

[DJ's left nut]

Like I said - there's every reason to make the argument that the Skins made a wise decision to move up.

But a 'steal'? Gimme a break - the Redskins just gave up more value to get any single player than any team has given up since Herschel Walker.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

It all depends on the player. I think RG3 is the type of player that whoever gets him-even at what it cost Washington--or what it would of cost us is a steal.

RG3 would make this team a perennial SB contender. Any player that does that is a steal--regardless of where they are picked or what they cost.

Eh, I disgree there.

RG3 is a nice prospect, but he's not without warts. He's a little undersized, he played in the air-raid system; he's not a can't-miss. He's certainly not so rock-solid that you can state without qualification that he makes the Chiefs a SB contender.

I like RG3. I think the "lay a turd for Robert Griffin the Third" thread was started by me in week 4; I've been a fan of the guy all season. But I'm also not going to completely sell out on him either. We have a lot to learn yet about RGIII and to give up that kind of value for the 75% chance he succeeds could be considered worthwhile, but not such a no-brainer that you call it robbery.

I don't care how much you like RGIII - if you don't swallow hard before you pull the trigger on that deal, you're simply closing your eyes to the possible consequences. And if you have to swallow that hard, well I don't see how you can consider it thievery.

[DeezNutz]

Weeden, to me, signals a completely different approach to drafting QBs. Simply put, if the player has a flash of evidence to suggest that he might be a franchise QB, he's going in the first. Period.

Luck and RGIII provided sustained looks at elite-level play. Tannehill and Weeden flashed.

How the above is conveniently forgotten when discussing the likes of late-round picks is beyond me, but the league is evolving, has been, and the "best" GM in the business isn't reacting.