WTF Mike Silver says we are the 28th best team in the NFL

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

McCluster, Arenas and Moeaki are not good picks. Nickle backs and kick returners are not, under any circumstances, worth 2nd rounders. And Moeaki was an injury risk that's already missed half-his career and has been less productive than multiple TEs taken after him.

Berry was simply too damn simple for me to give him credit for.

I'll concede I forgot Lewis. Lewis was a good pick. But it's still no more than an average draft considering the position we sat in each of those rounds (at the very top) as well as the fact that we had an extra 2nd rounder.

Like I said earlier, I understand disliking the value of the players. But that's like criticizing a tree for being too slow -- every team is all over the place everywhere on value for picks, with the exception of maybe the Bengals, who seem to use a different system from everybody else.

But there's no questioning we got a really good haul that 95% of the NFL can't match.

I'm not willing to warrant that bad grade simply because I wish they picked the players in a different order.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Carr and Flowers were developing extremely well as rookies. And Carr damn near got demolished by Haley when he arrived; he got knocked backwards by the coaching staff, IMO. Dorsey's skill-set is nowhere near worth the #5 overall pick yet many were arguing we got the steal of the first round when he slipped to us in the 1st the year we took him. Dorsey was an elite talent coming out of school that has become nothing more than a throw-away lunch-pail player that absolutely needs to be upgraded.

Bowe, and Johnson were all well on their way to being good players until Haley came in and shit all over them in 2009. So yeah, compared to what Haley turned them into in 2009, they were gangbusters in 2010. They'd have been just as well off under adequate coaching from damn near anyone. Pioli gets credit for Bowe....that just cracks me up.

Well we just have alternate versions of history. Apparently Johnson was on a four-year learning curve that Haley just happened to arrive at. Apparently Bowe was on a two-year learning curve that Haley just happened to arrive at. Apparently Tamba Hali was on a three-year learning curve that Haley just happened to arrive at. Apparently Carr was on a two-year ascention to becoming a #1 corner that Haley just happened to arrive at.

Like I said, if that's the line you want to take, I'm going to disagree with that. I'm going with the easiest line to believe -- that Herm and Carl's system of development was grossly poor, and Pioli's has been, at the very least, effective.