Chiefs WTF Mike Silver says we are the 28th best team in the NFL - Page 9

Mr. Arrowhead · 04-30-2012, 11:23 AM

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1. New York Giants: Is general manager Jerry Reese trying to get disgruntled defensive end Osi Umenyiora to snap?

2. New England Patriots: If Bill Belichick pulled off a trade in which he managed to swap picks with himself, would his reputation for masterful maneuvering reach an unprecedented plateau?

[ Dan Wetzel: Pats move up twice during first round in a dramatic shift in strategy ]

3. Green Bay Packers: Yo, Ted Thompson, feeling a bit defensive – and does having a 28-year-old superstar quarterback impact your thinking much?

4. Baltimore Ravens: When second-round draft pick Courtney Upshaw lines up across from new teammate Michael Oher in training camp, will their biological and surrogate parents be there to cheer them on?

5. San Francisco 49ers: How happy is Jim Harbaugh that the Niners drafted a receiver whose high school nickname was "E.T." and not "Edward Scissorhands"?

6. Houston Texans: With the drafting of Wade Phillips' newest pass-rushing toy, will the Texans' defense be Mercilus in 2012?

7. Pittsburgh Steelers: Got beef?

[ Les Carpenter: Draft picks spend more time in Radio City than anticipated ]

8. Detroit Lions: If the decision-makers in the Lions' war room "listened to our board" and started speaking in Matt Millen's voice, would the team's medical staff pass out handfuls of clozapine?

9. Atlanta Falcons: Hey, Thomas Dimitroff – if second-round pick Peter Konz could play guard and center at the same time, would you have made another Julio Jones-style trade to get him sixth overall?

10. Philadelphia Eagles: After assuring offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg that Philly's plan to use a third-round pick on former Arizona quarterback Nick Foles was "a great one", was Michael Vick tempted to add, "By the way – who's Nick Foles?"

11. New Orleans Saints: When Saints general manager Mickey Loomis called in his third-round pick of Regina defensive tackle Akiem Hicks Friday night, was NFL commissioner Roger Goodell tempted to grab the phone and interject, "Yeah, we know – we've got your war room wiretapped …"

[ Fantasy: A dozen draftees bound to make an immediate fantasy impact ]

12. Denver Broncos: Will Brock Osweiler become the tallest-ever teammate to bend down and polish Peyton Manning's dress shoes before a Quarterbacks' Night Out at training camp?

13. Dallas Cowboys: What was the Wonderlic score of the Dallas Morning News website editor who posted this headline about first-round draft pick "Morrris" Claiborne?

14. New York Jets: Am I the only one who wonders whether, based on their 2011 performance, the Jets should have drafted an offensive lineman before the sixth round?

15. Cincinnati Bengals: After Rutgers receiver Mohamed Sanu got a prank call telling him the Bengals were taking him in the first round Thursday night, shouldn't Redskins tight end Chris Cooley have been considered the prime suspect?

Notre Dame WR Michael Floyd is headed to Arizona. (AP)

16. Arizona Cardinals: If I'd been at Larry Fitzgerald's house for the first round of this year's draft, would he have reacted to the selection of Notre Dame receiver Michael Floyd by racing jubilantly through his open-air living room and jumping into the pool?

[Yahoo! Sports Shop: Buy NFL player T-shirts and team gear]

17. San Diego Chargers: After learning that Chargers GM A.J. Smith had called him a "mean, nasty man", shouldn't first-round pick Melvin Ingram have extended his hand and retorted, "Pot, meet kettle"?

18. Carolina Panthers: How crazy is it that this year's No. 1 pick, Boston College middle linebacker Luke Kuechly, is smaller than last year's No. 1, quarterback Cam Newton?

19. Buffalo Bills: When general manager Buddy Nix described the Bills as "riverboat gamblers" after trading up to get North Carolina State wideout T.J. Graham in the third round, why did I immediately picture this body of water?

20. Chicago Bears: Will the new receiving tandem of Brandon Marshall and second-round pick Alshon Jeffery cause more havoc in opposing secondaries, or in the Bears' locker room?

21. Washington Redskins: When the 'Skins released quarterback John Beck on Saturday, was he humming my altered-lyric version of this iconic '90s tune from his alt-rock namesake?

22. St. Louis Rams: In an effort to help veteran Cortland Finnegan mentor newly drafted cornerbacks Janoris Jenkins and Trumaine Johnson, will coach Jeff Fisher provide the former Titans standout with a Taser gun?

[ Rams' war room: Roll dice on Janoris Jenkin | Select next T.O. ]

23. Tennessee Titans: After NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock described second-round pick Zach Brown as "allergic to contact", how awesome would it have been to see Brown fly across the set at Radio City Music Hall, slam Mayock into the orchestra pit and yell "Gesundheit"?

24. Seattle Seahawks: What's more surprising – that Pete Carroll and Jon Schneider drafted a quarterback in the third round, or that Wisconsin's Russell Wilson is the team's highest-drafted passer in nearly two decades?

25. Oakland Raiders: How disconcerting is it that post-Al Davis Raiders are resolutely boring on draft day, and can't new GM Reggie McKenzie just indulge us with one ultra-swift, lowly regarded "reach" pick per year?

26. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: If the Muscle Hamster runs wild at Raymond James Stadium, will they put a large, spinning wheel next to the pirate ship in Doug Martin's honor?

27. Cleveland Browns: As of Thursday night, is Colt McCoy nostalgic for a little one-on-one time with Brian Daboll?

28. Kansas City Chiefs: Do Scott Pioli and Romeo Crennel seem overly optimistic in their assessment of the Chiefs' talent level – or am I just so pessimistic about K.C.'s quarterback situation that it completely clouds my thinking?

29. Jacksonville Jaguars: To realize value as the 70th overall pick, would Bryan Anger have to figure out a way to get footballs to explode upon making contact with a punt returner?

30. Minnesota Vikings: Yo, Matt Kalil – while proclaiming how much more Minnesota than California you are, were you neglecting to account for the possibility that the team which drafted you might soon be West Coast-bound?

31. Miami Dolphins: Does Jeff Irleand's latest rebuilding project involve replacing his best player – and, if so, why do I sense another protest brewing?

[ Jason Cole: Colts use Day 2 of draft to get Andrew Luck weapons in form of 2 TEs and a WR ]

32. Indianapolis Colts: Now that former Stanford tight end Coby Fleener has successfully convinced an NFL team he was worthy of being selected with the 34th overall pick, will he grow his hair out and lose the whole Rob Gronkowski impersonation bit?

vailpass · 04-30-2012, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead

Minus the QB, the chiefs are in the top 5 in terms of overall talent

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-30-2012, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You can't keep saying "possible" while ignoring the fact that the only reason anyone worried about that pick was his injury risk.

He's injury prone - period. He was injury prone in college and now he's straining his body even harder to compete with larger, faster men then ever before. He's being hit by guys that hit harder than ever. He's not going to suddenly escape the injury issues.

He's always going to be an injury risk. Even if he gives you a healthy season, can you truly count on him for the following season? Can you ever truly build an offense with him identified as a critical contributor?

I just don't see it. He's an injury risk that's been injured as a professional. He has the potential to do great things in this league...just as he did going into the draft. But alas, the dude can't stay on the field and if you can't rely on the guy, what good is he?

What he said.

Direckshun · 04-30-2012, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

McCluster, Arenas and Moeaki are not good picks. Nickle backs and kick returners are not, under any circumstances, worth 2nd rounders. And Moeaki was an injury risk that's already missed half-his career and has been less productive than multiple TEs taken after him.

Berry was simply too damn simple for me to give him credit for.

I'll concede I forgot Lewis. Lewis was a good pick. But it's still no more than an average draft considering the position we sat in each of those rounds (at the very top) as well as the fact that we had an extra 2nd rounder.

Like I said earlier, I understand disliking the value of the players. But that's like criticizing a tree for being too slow -- every team is all over the place everywhere on value for picks, with the exception of maybe the Bengals, who seem to use a different system from everybody else.

But there's no questioning we got a really good haul that 95% of the NFL can't match.

I'm not willing to warrant that bad grade simply because I wish they picked the players in a different order.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Carr and Flowers were developing extremely well as rookies. And Carr damn near got demolished by Haley when he arrived; he got knocked backwards by the coaching staff, IMO. Dorsey's skill-set is nowhere near worth the #5 overall pick yet many were arguing we got the steal of the first round when he slipped to us in the 1st the year we took him. Dorsey was an elite talent coming out of school that has become nothing more than a throw-away lunch-pail player that absolutely needs to be upgraded.

Bowe, and Johnson were all well on their way to being good players until Haley came in and shit all over them in 2009. So yeah, compared to what Haley turned them into in 2009, they were gangbusters in 2010. They'd have been just as well off under adequate coaching from damn near anyone. Pioli gets credit for Bowe....that just cracks me up.

Well we just have alternate versions of history. Apparently Johnson was on a four-year learning curve that Haley just happened to arrive at. Apparently Bowe was on a two-year learning curve that Haley just happened to arrive at. Apparently Tamba Hali was on a three-year learning curve that Haley just happened to arrive at. Apparently Carr was on a two-year ascention to becoming a #1 corner that Haley just happened to arrive at.

Like I said, if that's the line you want to take, I'm going to disagree with that. I'm going with the easiest line to believe -- that Herm and Carl's system of development was grossly poor, and Pioli's has been, at the very least, effective.

Direckshun · 04-30-2012, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

What he said.

I believe you meant to say PURE HATE

Direckshun · 04-30-2012, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You can't keep saying "possible" while ignoring the fact that the only reason anyone worried about that pick was his injury risk.

He's injury prone - period. He was injury prone in college and now he's straining his body even harder to compete with larger, faster men then ever before. He's being hit by guys that hit harder than ever. He's not going to suddenly escape the injury issues.

He's always going to be an injury risk. Even if he gives you a healthy season, can you truly count on him for the following season? Can you ever truly build an offense with him identified as a critical contributor?

I just don't see it. He's an injury risk that's been injured as a professional. He has the potential to do great things in this league...just as he did going into the draft. But alas, the dude can't stay on the field and if you can't rely on the guy, what good is he?

That's fair.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-30-2012, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I believe you meant to say PURE HATE

Snappy comeack.

Chiefs Pantalones · 04-30-2012, 01:14 PM

Whether we have top five talent or not, a great QB masks a lot of weaknesses. I think some people (including myself) forget sometimes that we have Cassel behind center when evaluating our team. QB is a pretty important position...understatement of the century.

Direckshun · 04-30-2012, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Snappy comeack.

I'm just bemused by it, is all.

**BigMeatballDave** · 04-30-2012, 01:15 PM

What the hell would we argue about if the Chiefs actually won a SB?

**HemiEd** · 04-30-2012, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Would you really have done what the Redskins have done?

They have sold out their future, repeatedly, since Snyder has owned the team.

They have to, they gotta sell the fan base on the hype.

I would not trade talent with the Redskins, and by your very own words earlier, RG3 hasn't proven anything in the NFL yet.
If the Chiefs players haven't he sure as hell hasn't. See how that works?

no comment?

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Snappy comeack.

DJ's left nut · 04-30-2012, 01:16 PM

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Well we just have alternate versions of history. Apparently Johnson was on a four-year learning curve that Haley just happened to arrive at. Apparently Bowe was on a two-year learning curve that Haley just happened to arrive at. Apparently Tamba Hali was on a three-year learning curve that Haley just happened to arrive at. Apparently Carr was on a two-year ascention to becoming a #1 corner that Haley just happened to arrive at.

I fail to see how Bowe being arguably the most productive WR of his class the first 2 years suggests a 'learning curve'.

86 catches for over 1,000 yards and 7 TDs as a Sophomore sure looks a hell of a lot like 81 catches for over 1,100 yards and 5 TDs during his 5th season in the league, doesn't it?

Bowe's the same player he's always been, even as a rookie. He's not one cent better than he was when Haley came into KC.

Look at what Johnson did his 3rd year in the league - 94 tackles, 4 sacks and 2 picks; 3 FF. As a sophomore in 13 games due to injury he had 76 tackles, 4.5 sacks and 2 FF. As a rookie the dude had damn near 100 tackles and 2 sacks.

He's marginally better, perhaps, than he was in his first 4 seasons in the league. But it's pure revisionist history (and buying into Haley's bullshit benching) to suggest that DJ wasn't well on his way to being a very good player before Haley came into town and shit all over him in 2009.

Chiefs Pantalones · 04-30-2012, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

What the hell would we argue about if the Chiefs actually won a SB?

We'd argue about who actually won it.

**HemiEd** · 04-30-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I fail to see how Bowe being arguably the most productive WR of his class the first 2 years suggests a 'learning curve'.

86 catches for over 1,000 yards and 7 TDs as a Sophomore sure looks a hell of a lot like 81 catches for over 1,100 yards and 5 TDs during his 5th season in the league, doesn't it?

Bowe's the same player he's always been, even as a rookie. He's not one cent better than he was when Haley came into KC.

Look at what Johnson did his 3rd year in the league - 94 tackles, 4 sacks and 2 picks; 3 FF. As a sophomore in 13 games due to injury he had 76 tackles, 4.5 sacks and 2 FF. As a rookie the dude had damn near 100 tackles and 2 sacks.

He's marginally better, perhaps, than he was in his first 4 seasons in the league. But it's pure revisionist history (and buying into Haley's bullshit benching) to suggest that DJ wasn't well on his way to being a very good player before Haley came into town and shit all over him in 2009.

I call Bullshit. I don't really care what the stats say, he was making better plays, this last year. Plays he would not have made before.

KCrockaholic · 04-30-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

What the hell would we argue about if the Chiefs actually won a SB?

People would complain because we wouldn't have the talent to make it to multiple Super Bowls and that it was just a one time, luck thing.

And that's regardless of if our team actually was extremely talented or not.

Chiefs Pantalones · 04-30-2012, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

People would complain because we wouldn't have the talent to make it to multiple Super Bowls and that it was just a one time, luck thing.

And that's regardless of if our team actually was extremely talented or not.

Man if we won the Super Bowl in my lifetime I wouldn't be complaining for a LONG time. Football is my favorite sport and the Chiefs are my favorite team so the Chiefs winning the Super Bowl would be icing on the sports cake for me. You could take all my teams away but the Chiefs.

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San Francisco 49ers: How happy is Jim Harbaugh that the Niners drafted a receiver whose high school nickname was "E.T." and not "Edward Scissorhands"? 6. Houston Texans: With the drafting of Wade Phillips' newest pass-rushing toy, will the Texans' defense be Mercilus in 2012? 7. Pittsburgh Steelers: Got beef? [ Les Carpenter: Draft picks spend more time in Radio City than anticipated ] 8. Detroit Lions: If the decision-makers in the Lions' war room "listened to our board" and started speaking in Matt Millen's voice, would the team's medical staff pass out handfuls of clozapine? 9. Atlanta Falcons: Hey, Thomas Dimitroff – if second-round pick Peter Konz could play guard and center at the same time, would you have made another Julio Jones-style trade to get him sixth overall? 10. Philadelphia Eagles: After assuring offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg that Philly's plan to use a third-round pick on former Arizona quarterback Nick Foles was "a great one", was Michael Vick tempted to add, "By the way – who's Nick Foles?" 11. New Orleans Saints: When Saints general manager Mickey Loomis called in his third-round pick of Regina defensive tackle Akiem Hicks Friday night, was NFL commissioner Roger Goodell tempted to grab the phone and interject, "Yeah, we know – we've got your war room wiretapped …" [ Fantasy: A dozen draftees bound to make an immediate fantasy impact ] 12. Denver Broncos: Will Brock Osweiler become the tallest-ever teammate to bend down and polish Peyton Manning's dress shoes before a Quarterbacks' Night Out at training camp? 13. Dallas Cowboys: What was the Wonderlic score of the Dallas Morning News website editor who posted this headline about first-round draft pick "Morrris" Claiborne? 14. New York Jets: Am I the only one who wonders whether, based on their 2011 performance, the Jets should have drafted an offensive lineman before the sixth round? 15. Cincinnati Bengals: After Rutgers receiver Mohamed Sanu got a prank call telling him the Bengals were taking him in the first round Thursday night, shouldn't Redskins tight end Chris Cooley have been considered the prime suspect? Notre Dame WR Michael Floyd is headed to Arizona. (AP) 16. Arizona Cardinals: If I'd been at Larry Fitzgerald's house for the first round of this year's draft, would he have reacted to the selection of Notre Dame receiver Michael Floyd by racing jubilantly through his open-air living room and jumping into the pool? [Yahoo! Sports Shop: Buy NFL player T-shirts and team gear] 17. San Diego Chargers: After learning that Chargers GM A.J. Smith had called him a "mean, nasty man", shouldn't first-round pick Melvin Ingram have extended his hand and retorted, "Pot, meet kettle"? 18. Carolina Panthers: How crazy is it that this year's No. 1 pick, Boston College middle linebacker Luke Kuechly, is smaller than last year's No. 1, quarterback Cam Newton? 19. Buffalo Bills: When general manager Buddy Nix described the Bills as "riverboat gamblers" after trading up to get North Carolina State wideout T.J. Graham in the third round, why did I immediately picture this body of water? 20. Chicago Bears: Will the new receiving tandem of Brandon Marshall and second-round pick Alshon Jeffery cause more havoc in opposing secondaries, or in the Bears' locker room? 21. Washington Redskins: When the 'Skins released quarterback John Beck on Saturday, was he humming my altered-lyric version of this iconic '90s tune from his alt-rock namesake? 22. St. Louis Rams: In an effort to help veteran Cortland Finnegan mentor newly drafted cornerbacks Janoris Jenkins and Trumaine Johnson, will coach Jeff Fisher provide the former Titans standout with a Taser gun? [ Rams' war room: Roll dice on Janoris Jenkin \| Select next T.O. ] 23. Tennessee Titans: After NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock described second-round pick Zach Brown as "allergic to contact", how awesome would it have been to see Brown fly across the set at Radio City Music Hall, slam Mayock into the orchestra pit and yell "Gesundheit"? 24. Seattle Seahawks: What's more surprising – that Pete Carroll and Jon Schneider drafted a quarterback in the third round, or that Wisconsin's Russell Wilson is the team's highest-drafted passer in nearly two decades? 25. Oakland Raiders: How disconcerting is it that post-Al Davis Raiders are resolutely boring on draft day, and can't new GM Reggie McKenzie just indulge us with one ultra-swift, lowly regarded "reach" pick per year? 26. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: If the Muscle Hamster runs wild at Raymond James Stadium, will they put a large, spinning wheel next to the pirate ship in Doug Martin's honor? 27. Cleveland Browns: As of Thursday night, is Colt McCoy nostalgic for a little one-on-one time with Brian Daboll? 28. Kansas City Chiefs: Do Scott Pioli and Romeo Crennel seem overly optimistic in their assessment of the Chiefs' talent level – or am I just so pessimistic about K.C.'s quarterback situation that it completely clouds my thinking? 29. Jacksonville Jaguars: To realize value as the 70th overall pick, would Bryan Anger have to figure out a way to get footballs to explode upon making contact with a punt returner? 30. Minnesota Vikings: Yo, Matt Kalil – while proclaiming how much more Minnesota than California you are, were you neglecting to account for the possibility that the team which drafted you might soon be West Coast-bound? 31. Miami Dolphins: Does Jeff Irleand's latest rebuilding project involve replacing his best player – and, if so, why do I sense another protest brewing? [ Jason Cole: Colts use Day 2 of draft to get Andrew Luck weapons in form of 2 TEs and a WR ] 32. Indianapolis Colts: Now that former Stanford tight end Coby Fleener has successfully convinced an NFL team he was worthy of being selected with the 34th overall pick, will he grow his hair out and lose the whole Rob Gronkowski impersonation bit?
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