Chiefs WTF Mike Silver says we are the 28th best team in the NFL - Page 12

Mr. Arrowhead · 04-30-2012, 11:23 AM

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1. New York Giants: Is general manager Jerry Reese trying to get disgruntled defensive end Osi Umenyiora to snap?

2. New England Patriots: If Bill Belichick pulled off a trade in which he managed to swap picks with himself, would his reputation for masterful maneuvering reach an unprecedented plateau?

[ Dan Wetzel: Pats move up twice during first round in a dramatic shift in strategy ]

3. Green Bay Packers: Yo, Ted Thompson, feeling a bit defensive – and does having a 28-year-old superstar quarterback impact your thinking much?

4. Baltimore Ravens: When second-round draft pick Courtney Upshaw lines up across from new teammate Michael Oher in training camp, will their biological and surrogate parents be there to cheer them on?

5. San Francisco 49ers: How happy is Jim Harbaugh that the Niners drafted a receiver whose high school nickname was "E.T." and not "Edward Scissorhands"?

6. Houston Texans: With the drafting of Wade Phillips' newest pass-rushing toy, will the Texans' defense be Mercilus in 2012?

7. Pittsburgh Steelers: Got beef?

[ Les Carpenter: Draft picks spend more time in Radio City than anticipated ]

8. Detroit Lions: If the decision-makers in the Lions' war room "listened to our board" and started speaking in Matt Millen's voice, would the team's medical staff pass out handfuls of clozapine?

9. Atlanta Falcons: Hey, Thomas Dimitroff – if second-round pick Peter Konz could play guard and center at the same time, would you have made another Julio Jones-style trade to get him sixth overall?

10. Philadelphia Eagles: After assuring offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg that Philly's plan to use a third-round pick on former Arizona quarterback Nick Foles was "a great one", was Michael Vick tempted to add, "By the way – who's Nick Foles?"

11. New Orleans Saints: When Saints general manager Mickey Loomis called in his third-round pick of Regina defensive tackle Akiem Hicks Friday night, was NFL commissioner Roger Goodell tempted to grab the phone and interject, "Yeah, we know – we've got your war room wiretapped …"

[ Fantasy: A dozen draftees bound to make an immediate fantasy impact ]

12. Denver Broncos: Will Brock Osweiler become the tallest-ever teammate to bend down and polish Peyton Manning's dress shoes before a Quarterbacks' Night Out at training camp?

13. Dallas Cowboys: What was the Wonderlic score of the Dallas Morning News website editor who posted this headline about first-round draft pick "Morrris" Claiborne?

14. New York Jets: Am I the only one who wonders whether, based on their 2011 performance, the Jets should have drafted an offensive lineman before the sixth round?

15. Cincinnati Bengals: After Rutgers receiver Mohamed Sanu got a prank call telling him the Bengals were taking him in the first round Thursday night, shouldn't Redskins tight end Chris Cooley have been considered the prime suspect?

Notre Dame WR Michael Floyd is headed to Arizona. (AP)

16. Arizona Cardinals: If I'd been at Larry Fitzgerald's house for the first round of this year's draft, would he have reacted to the selection of Notre Dame receiver Michael Floyd by racing jubilantly through his open-air living room and jumping into the pool?

[Yahoo! Sports Shop: Buy NFL player T-shirts and team gear]

17. San Diego Chargers: After learning that Chargers GM A.J. Smith had called him a "mean, nasty man", shouldn't first-round pick Melvin Ingram have extended his hand and retorted, "Pot, meet kettle"?

18. Carolina Panthers: How crazy is it that this year's No. 1 pick, Boston College middle linebacker Luke Kuechly, is smaller than last year's No. 1, quarterback Cam Newton?

19. Buffalo Bills: When general manager Buddy Nix described the Bills as "riverboat gamblers" after trading up to get North Carolina State wideout T.J. Graham in the third round, why did I immediately picture this body of water?

20. Chicago Bears: Will the new receiving tandem of Brandon Marshall and second-round pick Alshon Jeffery cause more havoc in opposing secondaries, or in the Bears' locker room?

21. Washington Redskins: When the 'Skins released quarterback John Beck on Saturday, was he humming my altered-lyric version of this iconic '90s tune from his alt-rock namesake?

22. St. Louis Rams: In an effort to help veteran Cortland Finnegan mentor newly drafted cornerbacks Janoris Jenkins and Trumaine Johnson, will coach Jeff Fisher provide the former Titans standout with a Taser gun?

[ Rams' war room: Roll dice on Janoris Jenkin | Select next T.O. ]

23. Tennessee Titans: After NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock described second-round pick Zach Brown as "allergic to contact", how awesome would it have been to see Brown fly across the set at Radio City Music Hall, slam Mayock into the orchestra pit and yell "Gesundheit"?

24. Seattle Seahawks: What's more surprising – that Pete Carroll and Jon Schneider drafted a quarterback in the third round, or that Wisconsin's Russell Wilson is the team's highest-drafted passer in nearly two decades?

25. Oakland Raiders: How disconcerting is it that post-Al Davis Raiders are resolutely boring on draft day, and can't new GM Reggie McKenzie just indulge us with one ultra-swift, lowly regarded "reach" pick per year?

26. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: If the Muscle Hamster runs wild at Raymond James Stadium, will they put a large, spinning wheel next to the pirate ship in Doug Martin's honor?

27. Cleveland Browns: As of Thursday night, is Colt McCoy nostalgic for a little one-on-one time with Brian Daboll?

28. Kansas City Chiefs: Do Scott Pioli and Romeo Crennel seem overly optimistic in their assessment of the Chiefs' talent level – or am I just so pessimistic about K.C.'s quarterback situation that it completely clouds my thinking?

29. Jacksonville Jaguars: To realize value as the 70th overall pick, would Bryan Anger have to figure out a way to get footballs to explode upon making contact with a punt returner?

30. Minnesota Vikings: Yo, Matt Kalil – while proclaiming how much more Minnesota than California you are, were you neglecting to account for the possibility that the team which drafted you might soon be West Coast-bound?

31. Miami Dolphins: Does Jeff Irleand's latest rebuilding project involve replacing his best player – and, if so, why do I sense another protest brewing?

[ Jason Cole: Colts use Day 2 of draft to get Andrew Luck weapons in form of 2 TEs and a WR ]

32. Indianapolis Colts: Now that former Stanford tight end Coby Fleener has successfully convinced an NFL team he was worthy of being selected with the 34th overall pick, will he grow his hair out and lose the whole Rob Gronkowski impersonation bit?

**HemiEd** · 04-30-2012, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

The Broncos were definitely paper tigers, and that's why their front office had the foresight to get Manning and dump Tebow.

They, and everyone else that knows the first thing about football, knows that Tebow had them in an ugly trap. The only way Elway could get out of that trap with the fans not lynching him, was to land Manning.

Yes, they didn't deserve some of those wins, but they got them and they counted. It happens every year, you lose games you should have won, and hopefully you make up for it by stealing games you should lose.

Micjones · 04-30-2012, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

The problem with the 2010 Division win was that the division sucked and the schedule was ridiculously easy. They didn't beat a single good team (perhaps one "meh" team in eternally underperforming San Diego), and got curbstomped in the playoffs. Basically they were the 2007 Jayhawks, only Baltimore was waiting for them at the end and not the Chokies.

The division has improved, but so has this team and we're playing the weakest schedule in the AFC West again this season. We were better than 10 teams just last year sans Charles, Moeaki, Berry and Cassel (at the end of the year)...playing a 1st Place schedule. Somehow with a ton more talent and a significantly weaker schedule we're one of the five-worst teams in the league?

**** outta here.

Hammock Parties · 04-30-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

we're playing the weakest schedule in the AFC West again this season.

It's still a tough schedule, and we are the worst team in the division, with the worst QB in the division.

Maybe if we had a 2010-level schedule we could win 10 games this year.

**HemiEd** · 04-30-2012, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

DUDE.

I keep telling you:

You can't look at last year's team as a legit 7-win team.

We got practically gifted five of those wins because we played Caleb Hanie, Tim Tebow, Donovan McNabb, Curtis Painter and Kyle Boller.

Hanie and Tebow threw up all of 3 points against us. Boller threw up 0.

Painter sucked for an entire scoreless half, paving the way for our "comeback." McNabb was McNabb.

Last year's Chiefs were a 4-12 team that ran into some really shitty quarterbacks. I would be shocked if we held 3 teams to 3 or fewer points this season.

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

It only strengthens my point.

If there were no injuries at all in the NFL last year, we're probably still a 7-8 win team. Sure, we'd get better by having a couple of players back. So would other teams.

Huh? Wha?

Titty Meat · 04-30-2012, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I don't disagree with much except for the idea that the 2012 team can't possibly be appreciably better than the 2010 version. They're better at virtually every position on both lines (obviously in several cases because the same players are better players now than they were two years ago), they're much better at wide receiver, they're likely better at running back (even if Charles isn't the old Charles), they're better at linebacker both inside and out. They're either going to be equal or better at safety. The only positions on the entire roster that don't look to be improved are corner (where the starters are at the least adequate but the depth is questionable) and quarterback (which is unfortunately exactly the same).

And all of that, aside from the Poe pick, was the case before the draft. Which is why I actually liked that they drafted the way that they did, as opposed to making need picks/safe picks on players with less upside.

I think the team as a whole is built to win 10 or 11 games. The question is how many games the quarterback position will cost them. With someone appreciably better than Cassel behind center (say Manning) I think they'd actually be a playoff favorite. All this assuming the injury bug last year was an aberration and not a trend.

Unfortunately we're stuck with Cassel, and there isn't anybody on the bench who's going to come in and save us. Although at least it won't be Palko. Who by himself probably cost us several games last year.

You mean Stanzi isn't going to save us? ****.

FishingRod · 04-30-2012, 02:36 PM

I think Philly and Atlanta may be a bit high but if you start after New Orleans almost any of these teams could be switched with any other on the list. There is just not that much difference..

jspchief · 04-30-2012, 02:39 PM

One thing that seems to be escaping some people...

We have some serious "unknowns" coming into this season.

1. NT. Kelly Gregg may not be an all pro, but he was a steady veteran presence. The guy did his job. We are replacing him with a 100% unknown commodity, whether it be Powe or Poe. That could have a significant impact on our run D.

2. Center. Again, replacing a veteran with a 100% unknown. A lot of people just assume the guy we are putting at center is going to be an upgrade, but we really have no idea. The center often plays a pivotal role in recognizing blocking assignments, and we're putting in a guy that doesn't have that experience. There's also the issue of chemistry, which is always important on an O-line.

I'm not saying any of this makes us the 27th ranked team in the league. But there seems to be a lot of people ready to believe that this team is the best of the last 2 seasons, plus upgrades at every spot where we have someone new. The reality is we may or may not actually be better at those spots.

Hammock Parties · 04-30-2012, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Huh? Wha?

Try to keep up.

Let's say we get Charles, Berry and Moeaki healthy for an entire season and Cassel doesn't get hurt.

That's great.

That's basically the same team that got swept by the Raiders in 2010.

What makes you think they could beat a healthy Raiders team in 2011?

ToxSocks · 04-30-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

Try to keep up.

Let's say we get Charles, Berry and Moeaki healthy for an entire season and Cassel doesn't get hurt.

That's great.

That's basically the same team that got swept by the Raiders in 2010.

What makes you think they could beat a healthy Raiders team in 2011?

Just stop.

O.city · 04-30-2012, 02:48 PM

I think the team is alot better than they were in 2010, if they are healthy.

However, until they prove it, who cares really. I'm tired of talk. No more "it's a process shit". I will give Pioli this, he's put together a good young roster, but none of that matters. Just win baby.

**HemiEd** · 04-30-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

Try to keep up.

Let's say we get Charles, Berry and Moeaki healthy for an entire season and Cassel doesn't get hurt.

That's great.

That's basically the same team that got swept by the Raiders in 2010.

What makes you think they could beat a healthy Raiders team in 2011?

I am trying to keep up, seriously, but it is hard when you contradict yourself in the same thread. You said this team is not a 7 or 8 win team, then you said it is, which is it? Or am I supposed to read something into this that you didn't say?

The Oakland series stands on it's own, and always has, at least since I have been watching them. Nothing pains me more than losing to those guys, and not for a minute do I think they are a better team.
The best team doesn't always win, it is who makes the least errors, and Haley clearly ****ed up as HC in a couple of those games.

Micjones · 04-30-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

One thing that seems to be escaping some people...

We have some serious "unknowns" coming into this season.

1. NT. Kelly Gregg may not be an all pro, but he was a steady veteran presence. The guy did his job. We are replacing him with a 100% unknown commodity, whether it be Powe or Poe. That could have a significant impact on our run D.

2. Center. Again, replacing a veteran with a 100% unknown. A lot of people just assume the guy we are putting at center is going to be an upgrade, but we really have no idea. The center often plays a pivotal role in recognizing blocking assignments, and we're putting in a guy that doesn't have that experience. There's also the issue of chemistry, which is always important on an O-line.

I'm not saying any of this makes us the 27th ranked team in the league. But there seems to be a lot of people ready to believe that this team is the best of the last 2 seasons, plus upgrades at every spot where we have someone new. The reality is we may or may not actually be better at those spots.

We weren't exactly good at either of those spots anyway.
So I'm not sure there will be a HUGE dropoff at either position.

Hammock Parties · 04-30-2012, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

I am trying to keep up, seriously, but it is hard when you contradict yourself in the same thread. You said this team is not a 7 or 8 win team, then you said it is, which is it?
.

I didn't contradict myself.

I said we weren't as good as our record indicated last year.

Then I said if there were no injuries at all in the NFL, we were still probably going to win 7 or 8 games. Chiefs would get better, but so would other teams.

jspchief · 04-30-2012, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

We weren't exactly good at either of those spots anyway.
So I'm not sure there will be a HUGE dropoff at either position.

At NT, we actually were good. Gregg did a good job.

And at center we had a solid veteran. We are replacing him with a guy that we don't even know will be capable of consistent snaps.

**HemiEd** · 04-30-2012, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

We weren't exactly good at either of those spots anyway.
So I'm not sure there will be a HUGE dropoff at either position.

No kidding, at least at Center. If the snap can get done without fumbles, I am not sure how center play could degrade.

But I did enjoy watching some of Gregg's technique, and that had to come from experience. Hopefully Poe/Powe can make up for it with mass and speed.

04-30-2012, 11:23 AM
Mr. Arrowhead MVP Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wichita Casino cash: $10015708	WTF Mike Silver says we are the 28th best team in the NFL http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--po...GVzdAM-;_ylv=3 1. New York Giants: Is general manager Jerry Reese trying to get disgruntled defensive end Osi Umenyiora to snap? 2. New England Patriots: If Bill Belichick pulled off a trade in which he managed to swap picks with himself, would his reputation for masterful maneuvering reach an unprecedented plateau? [ Dan Wetzel: Pats move up twice during first round in a dramatic shift in strategy ] 3. Green Bay Packers: Yo, Ted Thompson, feeling a bit defensive – and does having a 28-year-old superstar quarterback impact your thinking much? 4. Baltimore Ravens: When second-round draft pick Courtney Upshaw lines up across from new teammate Michael Oher in training camp, will their biological and surrogate parents be there to cheer them on? 5. San Francisco 49ers: How happy is Jim Harbaugh that the Niners drafted a receiver whose high school nickname was "E.T." and not "Edward Scissorhands"? 6. Houston Texans: With the drafting of Wade Phillips' newest pass-rushing toy, will the Texans' defense be Mercilus in 2012? 7. Pittsburgh Steelers: Got beef? [ Les Carpenter: Draft picks spend more time in Radio City than anticipated ] 8. Detroit Lions: If the decision-makers in the Lions' war room "listened to our board" and started speaking in Matt Millen's voice, would the team's medical staff pass out handfuls of clozapine? 9. Atlanta Falcons: Hey, Thomas Dimitroff – if second-round pick Peter Konz could play guard and center at the same time, would you have made another Julio Jones-style trade to get him sixth overall? 10. Philadelphia Eagles: After assuring offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg that Philly's plan to use a third-round pick on former Arizona quarterback Nick Foles was "a great one", was Michael Vick tempted to add, "By the way – who's Nick Foles?" 11. New Orleans Saints: When Saints general manager Mickey Loomis called in his third-round pick of Regina defensive tackle Akiem Hicks Friday night, was NFL commissioner Roger Goodell tempted to grab the phone and interject, "Yeah, we know – we've got your war room wiretapped …" [ Fantasy: A dozen draftees bound to make an immediate fantasy impact ] 12. Denver Broncos: Will Brock Osweiler become the tallest-ever teammate to bend down and polish Peyton Manning's dress shoes before a Quarterbacks' Night Out at training camp? 13. Dallas Cowboys: What was the Wonderlic score of the Dallas Morning News website editor who posted this headline about first-round draft pick "Morrris" Claiborne? 14. New York Jets: Am I the only one who wonders whether, based on their 2011 performance, the Jets should have drafted an offensive lineman before the sixth round? 15. Cincinnati Bengals: After Rutgers receiver Mohamed Sanu got a prank call telling him the Bengals were taking him in the first round Thursday night, shouldn't Redskins tight end Chris Cooley have been considered the prime suspect? Notre Dame WR Michael Floyd is headed to Arizona. (AP) 16. Arizona Cardinals: If I'd been at Larry Fitzgerald's house for the first round of this year's draft, would he have reacted to the selection of Notre Dame receiver Michael Floyd by racing jubilantly through his open-air living room and jumping into the pool? [Yahoo! Sports Shop: Buy NFL player T-shirts and team gear] 17. San Diego Chargers: After learning that Chargers GM A.J. Smith had called him a "mean, nasty man", shouldn't first-round pick Melvin Ingram have extended his hand and retorted, "Pot, meet kettle"? 18. Carolina Panthers: How crazy is it that this year's No. 1 pick, Boston College middle linebacker Luke Kuechly, is smaller than last year's No. 1, quarterback Cam Newton? 19. Buffalo Bills: When general manager Buddy Nix described the Bills as "riverboat gamblers" after trading up to get North Carolina State wideout T.J. Graham in the third round, why did I immediately picture this body of water? 20. Chicago Bears: Will the new receiving tandem of Brandon Marshall and second-round pick Alshon Jeffery cause more havoc in opposing secondaries, or in the Bears' locker room? 21. Washington Redskins: When the 'Skins released quarterback John Beck on Saturday, was he humming my altered-lyric version of this iconic '90s tune from his alt-rock namesake? 22. St. Louis Rams: In an effort to help veteran Cortland Finnegan mentor newly drafted cornerbacks Janoris Jenkins and Trumaine Johnson, will coach Jeff Fisher provide the former Titans standout with a Taser gun? [ Rams' war room: Roll dice on Janoris Jenkin \| Select next T.O. ] 23. Tennessee Titans: After NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock described second-round pick Zach Brown as "allergic to contact", how awesome would it have been to see Brown fly across the set at Radio City Music Hall, slam Mayock into the orchestra pit and yell "Gesundheit"? 24. Seattle Seahawks: What's more surprising – that Pete Carroll and Jon Schneider drafted a quarterback in the third round, or that Wisconsin's Russell Wilson is the team's highest-drafted passer in nearly two decades? 25. Oakland Raiders: How disconcerting is it that post-Al Davis Raiders are resolutely boring on draft day, and can't new GM Reggie McKenzie just indulge us with one ultra-swift, lowly regarded "reach" pick per year? 26. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: If the Muscle Hamster runs wild at Raymond James Stadium, will they put a large, spinning wheel next to the pirate ship in Doug Martin's honor? 27. Cleveland Browns: As of Thursday night, is Colt McCoy nostalgic for a little one-on-one time with Brian Daboll? 28. Kansas City Chiefs: Do Scott Pioli and Romeo Crennel seem overly optimistic in their assessment of the Chiefs' talent level – or am I just so pessimistic about K.C.'s quarterback situation that it completely clouds my thinking? 29. Jacksonville Jaguars: To realize value as the 70th overall pick, would Bryan Anger have to figure out a way to get footballs to explode upon making contact with a punt returner? 30. Minnesota Vikings: Yo, Matt Kalil – while proclaiming how much more Minnesota than California you are, were you neglecting to account for the possibility that the team which drafted you might soon be West Coast-bound? 31. Miami Dolphins: Does Jeff Irleand's latest rebuilding project involve replacing his best player – and, if so, why do I sense another protest brewing? [ Jason Cole: Colts use Day 2 of draft to get Andrew Luck weapons in form of 2 TEs and a WR ] 32. Indianapolis Colts: Now that former Stanford tight end Coby Fleener has successfully convinced an NFL team he was worthy of being selected with the 34th overall pick, will he grow his hair out and lose the whole Rob Gronkowski impersonation bit?
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jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	One thing that seems to be escaping some people... We have some serious "unknowns" coming into this season. 1. NT. Kelly Gregg may not be an all pro, but he was a steady veteran presence. The guy did his job. We are replacing him with a 100% unknown commodity, whether it be Powe or Poe. That could have a significant impact on our run D. 2. Center. Again, replacing a veteran with a 100% unknown. A lot of people just assume the guy we are putting at center is going to be an upgrade, but we really have no idea. The center often plays a pivotal role in recognizing blocking assignments, and we're putting in a guy that doesn't have that experience. There's also the issue of chemistry, which is always important on an O-line. I'm not saying any of this makes us the 27th ranked team in the league. But there seems to be a lot of people ready to believe that this team is the best of the last 2 seasons, plus upgrades at every spot where we have someone new. The reality is we may or may not actually be better at those spots. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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04-30-2012, 02:48 PM	#175
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-695936	I think the team is alot better than they were in 2010, if they are healthy. However, until they prove it, who cares really. I'm tired of talk. No more "it's a process shit". I will give Pioli this, he's put together a good young roster, but none of that matters. Just win baby.
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