Chiefs WTF Mike Silver says we are the 28th best team in the NFL - Page 21

Mr. Arrowhead · 04-30-2012, 11:23 AM

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--po...GVzdAM-;_ylv=3

1. New York Giants: Is general manager Jerry Reese trying to get disgruntled defensive end Osi Umenyiora to snap?

2. New England Patriots: If Bill Belichick pulled off a trade in which he managed to swap picks with himself, would his reputation for masterful maneuvering reach an unprecedented plateau?

[ Dan Wetzel: Pats move up twice during first round in a dramatic shift in strategy ]

3. Green Bay Packers: Yo, Ted Thompson, feeling a bit defensive – and does having a 28-year-old superstar quarterback impact your thinking much?

4. Baltimore Ravens: When second-round draft pick Courtney Upshaw lines up across from new teammate Michael Oher in training camp, will their biological and surrogate parents be there to cheer them on?

5. San Francisco 49ers: How happy is Jim Harbaugh that the Niners drafted a receiver whose high school nickname was "E.T." and not "Edward Scissorhands"?

6. Houston Texans: With the drafting of Wade Phillips' newest pass-rushing toy, will the Texans' defense be Mercilus in 2012?

7. Pittsburgh Steelers: Got beef?

[ Les Carpenter: Draft picks spend more time in Radio City than anticipated ]

8. Detroit Lions: If the decision-makers in the Lions' war room "listened to our board" and started speaking in Matt Millen's voice, would the team's medical staff pass out handfuls of clozapine?

9. Atlanta Falcons: Hey, Thomas Dimitroff – if second-round pick Peter Konz could play guard and center at the same time, would you have made another Julio Jones-style trade to get him sixth overall?

10. Philadelphia Eagles: After assuring offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg that Philly's plan to use a third-round pick on former Arizona quarterback Nick Foles was "a great one", was Michael Vick tempted to add, "By the way – who's Nick Foles?"

11. New Orleans Saints: When Saints general manager Mickey Loomis called in his third-round pick of Regina defensive tackle Akiem Hicks Friday night, was NFL commissioner Roger Goodell tempted to grab the phone and interject, "Yeah, we know – we've got your war room wiretapped …"

[ Fantasy: A dozen draftees bound to make an immediate fantasy impact ]

12. Denver Broncos: Will Brock Osweiler become the tallest-ever teammate to bend down and polish Peyton Manning's dress shoes before a Quarterbacks' Night Out at training camp?

13. Dallas Cowboys: What was the Wonderlic score of the Dallas Morning News website editor who posted this headline about first-round draft pick "Morrris" Claiborne?

14. New York Jets: Am I the only one who wonders whether, based on their 2011 performance, the Jets should have drafted an offensive lineman before the sixth round?

15. Cincinnati Bengals: After Rutgers receiver Mohamed Sanu got a prank call telling him the Bengals were taking him in the first round Thursday night, shouldn't Redskins tight end Chris Cooley have been considered the prime suspect?

Notre Dame WR Michael Floyd is headed to Arizona. (AP)

16. Arizona Cardinals: If I'd been at Larry Fitzgerald's house for the first round of this year's draft, would he have reacted to the selection of Notre Dame receiver Michael Floyd by racing jubilantly through his open-air living room and jumping into the pool?

[Yahoo! Sports Shop: Buy NFL player T-shirts and team gear]

17. San Diego Chargers: After learning that Chargers GM A.J. Smith had called him a "mean, nasty man", shouldn't first-round pick Melvin Ingram have extended his hand and retorted, "Pot, meet kettle"?

18. Carolina Panthers: How crazy is it that this year's No. 1 pick, Boston College middle linebacker Luke Kuechly, is smaller than last year's No. 1, quarterback Cam Newton?

19. Buffalo Bills: When general manager Buddy Nix described the Bills as "riverboat gamblers" after trading up to get North Carolina State wideout T.J. Graham in the third round, why did I immediately picture this body of water?

20. Chicago Bears: Will the new receiving tandem of Brandon Marshall and second-round pick Alshon Jeffery cause more havoc in opposing secondaries, or in the Bears' locker room?

21. Washington Redskins: When the 'Skins released quarterback John Beck on Saturday, was he humming my altered-lyric version of this iconic '90s tune from his alt-rock namesake?

22. St. Louis Rams: In an effort to help veteran Cortland Finnegan mentor newly drafted cornerbacks Janoris Jenkins and Trumaine Johnson, will coach Jeff Fisher provide the former Titans standout with a Taser gun?

[ Rams' war room: Roll dice on Janoris Jenkin | Select next T.O. ]

23. Tennessee Titans: After NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock described second-round pick Zach Brown as "allergic to contact", how awesome would it have been to see Brown fly across the set at Radio City Music Hall, slam Mayock into the orchestra pit and yell "Gesundheit"?

24. Seattle Seahawks: What's more surprising – that Pete Carroll and Jon Schneider drafted a quarterback in the third round, or that Wisconsin's Russell Wilson is the team's highest-drafted passer in nearly two decades?

25. Oakland Raiders: How disconcerting is it that post-Al Davis Raiders are resolutely boring on draft day, and can't new GM Reggie McKenzie just indulge us with one ultra-swift, lowly regarded "reach" pick per year?

26. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: If the Muscle Hamster runs wild at Raymond James Stadium, will they put a large, spinning wheel next to the pirate ship in Doug Martin's honor?

27. Cleveland Browns: As of Thursday night, is Colt McCoy nostalgic for a little one-on-one time with Brian Daboll?

28. Kansas City Chiefs: Do Scott Pioli and Romeo Crennel seem overly optimistic in their assessment of the Chiefs' talent level – or am I just so pessimistic about K.C.'s quarterback situation that it completely clouds my thinking?

29. Jacksonville Jaguars: To realize value as the 70th overall pick, would Bryan Anger have to figure out a way to get footballs to explode upon making contact with a punt returner?

30. Minnesota Vikings: Yo, Matt Kalil – while proclaiming how much more Minnesota than California you are, were you neglecting to account for the possibility that the team which drafted you might soon be West Coast-bound?

31. Miami Dolphins: Does Jeff Irleand's latest rebuilding project involve replacing his best player – and, if so, why do I sense another protest brewing?

[ Jason Cole: Colts use Day 2 of draft to get Andrew Luck weapons in form of 2 TEs and a WR ]

32. Indianapolis Colts: Now that former Stanford tight end Coby Fleener has successfully convinced an NFL team he was worthy of being selected with the 34th overall pick, will he grow his hair out and lose the whole Rob Gronkowski impersonation bit?

htismaqe · 05-01-2012, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Last years schedule wasn't hard. We lost 5 games to non-playoff teams and beat 2 teams picking in the top 3. Great accomplishment.

I think you missed the point.

I'm not saying either year, 2010 or 2011, was a great accomplishment.

I'm saying that anybody expecting us to go WORSE than 7-9 this year are in for a surprise.

We'll likely win 9 or 10 - just enough for the front office to "justify" allowing Cassel to play out his contract.

htismaqe · 05-01-2012, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

Common denominator during those blowouts: terrible QB play, especially on third down.

That's why Kyle Orton is my sweet baboo. At least he can move those chains.

And then toss a pick in the red zone.

htismaqe · 05-01-2012, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

In a way, I wish we were that bad.

Maybe then we would have a chance at a real quarterback next April and have hope to win it all in a couple years.

Reality is we have a better shot at being a playoff team next year than drafting in the top 5.

I'm just gonna try to enjoy the ride and trust that Cassel is on a short leash and that Stanzi will get a chance this year.

THIS.

htismaqe · 05-01-2012, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Last place schedule. First place schedule.

You realize that only determines 2 of our 13 opponents? 2 games, out of the 16 we play are going to be determined by last year's record.

And it hardly guarantees those 2 teams will be easy/hard. Playing the last place team in a tough division could be just as difficult as playing a first place team in a weak division.

This year we play the last place team from the AFC South and AFC East I believe. Playing a team like Buffalo is not the same as playing Cleveland.

The whole X place schedule discussion is largely worthless.

Then suggesting we're worse than a 7-9 team is even MORE ridiculous.

Dayze · 05-01-2012, 07:57 AM

The fact that this defense is on it's way to being a really really good defense; and that we have a good stable of RBs....but a shit QB, reminds me of the line from Raising Arizona:

Eight hundred leaf tables and no
chairs?! You can't sell leaf tables
and no chairs! Chairs, you got a
dinette set! No chairs, you got dick!

Franchise QBs are Chairs.
Championships are sales
Chiefs are 800 chairless leaf tables.

FringeNC · 05-01-2012, 08:00 AM

Looking at the Sagarin ratings for the last two years which taken into account strength of schedule, margin of victory (defeat), and all that other stuff, it had us 24th in 2010 and 29th in 2011. It's pretty accurate in predicting the Vegas line, and overall a pretty solid ranking system.

You win in the NFL by having a decent defense, and the ability to move the ball through the air. We have a decent defense, but unless Daboll is able to get a hell of a lot more out of Cassel than Haley was, how are we going to consistently move the ball through the air?

With a good running attack, a good D, and only throwing occasionally, I can see us beating bad to average teams in close games, but we'll get blown out against teams again unless our passing attack improves.

Edit: Pioli essentially doubled down on Cassel, and is implicitly blaming Haley (and evidently our O-line) for our passing woes. If Cassel does not dramatically improve, Pioli shouldn't have a job next year.

htismaqe · 05-01-2012, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FringeNC

Looking at the Sagarin ratings for the last two years which taken into account strength of schedule, margin of victory (defeat), and all that other stuff, it had us 24th in 2010 and 29th in 2011. It's pretty accurate in predicting the Vegas line, and overall a pretty solid ranking system.

You win in the NFL by having a decent defense, and the ability to move the ball through the air. We have a decent defense, but unless Daboll is able to get a hell of a lot more out of Cassel than Haley was, how are we going to consistently move the ball through the air?

With a good running attack, a good D, and only throwing occasionally, I can see us beating bad to average teams in close games, but we'll get blown out against teams again unless our passing attack improves.

Edit: Pioli essentially doubled down on Cassel, and is implicitly blaming Haley (and evidently our O-line) for our passing woes. If Cassel does not dramatically improve, Pioli shouldn't have a job next year.

Excellent post.

Chiefnj2 · 05-01-2012, 08:16 AM

For years Pioli has talked about drafting the right players - team captains, high character players, etc.

Yet last year, there was an obvious difference when the players took the field for Romeo than they did in Haley's last few games. If you've been drafting high character players, shouldn't those guys give the same effort no matter who is coach?

As far as schedule is concerned WHEN you play someone is just as important as WHO you play.

**Dave Lane** · 05-01-2012, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs

Actually playing backups QBs all but the last 3 games of the season.

Well lets see Orton was a backup in Denver, going to be a backup in Dallas. In Kansas City though we anointed him as the chosen one.

htismaqe · 05-01-2012, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

For years Pioli has talked about drafting the right players - team captains, high character players, etc.

Yet last year, there was an obvious difference when the players took the field for Romeo than they did in Haley's last few games. If you've been drafting high character players, shouldn't those guys give the same effort no matter who is coach?

As far as schedule is concerned WHEN you play someone is just as important as WHO you play.

EXCELLENT point.

Fairplay · 05-01-2012, 08:38 AM

We are better then four other teams.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 05-01-2012, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FringeNC

Looking at the Sagarin ratings for the last two years which taken into account strength of schedule, margin of victory (defeat), and all that other stuff, it had us 24th in 2010 and 29th in 2011. It's pretty accurate in predicting the Vegas line, and overall a pretty solid ranking system.

You win in the NFL by having a decent defense, and the ability to move the ball through the air. We have a decent defense, but unless Daboll is able to get a hell of a lot more out of Cassel than Haley was, how are we going to consistently move the ball through the air?

With a good running attack, a good D, and only throwing occasionally, I can see us beating bad to average teams in close games, but we'll get blown out against teams again unless our passing attack improves.

Edit: Pioli essentially doubled down on Cassel, and is implicitly blaming Haley (and evidently our O-line) for our passing woes. If Cassel does not dramatically improve, Pioli shouldn't have a job next year.

Excellent post.

You have a link to those Sagarin ratings for each year? I'd be really interested in checking it out - for the Chiefs and other teams.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 05-01-2012, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

For years Pioli has talked about drafting the right players - team captains, high character players, etc.

Yet last year, there was an obvious difference when the players took the field for Romeo than they did in Haley's last few games. If you've been drafting high character players, shouldn't those guys give the same effort no matter who is coach?

As far as schedule is concerned WHEN you play someone is just as important as WHO you play.

Another excellent post.

ChiefRocka · 05-01-2012, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze

The fact that this defense is on it's way to being a really really good defense; and that we have a good stable of RBs....but a shit QB, reminds me of the line from Raising Arizona:

Eight hundred leaf tables and no
chairs?! You can't sell leaf tables
and no chairs! Chairs, you got a
dinette set! No chairs, you got dick!

Franchise QBs are Chairs.
Championships are sales
Chiefs are 800 chairless leaf tables.

"I don't know, they had Yodas and shit on them" -my fave

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-01-2012, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

For years Pioli has talked about drafting the right players - team captains, high character players, etc.

Yet last year, there was an obvious difference when the players took the field for Romeo than they did in Haley's last few games. If you've been drafting high character players, shouldn't those guys give the same effort no matter who is coach?
As far as schedule is concerned WHEN you play someone is just as important as WHO you play.

You can't over look preperation when you go down that route.

The team's offseason approach was absolute garbage last year as well. Most unprepared Chiefs team to start a season I've ever seen.

04-30-2012, 11:23 AM
Mr. Arrowhead MVP Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wichita Casino cash: $10015708	WTF Mike Silver says we are the 28th best team in the NFL http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--po...GVzdAM-;_ylv=3 1. New York Giants: Is general manager Jerry Reese trying to get disgruntled defensive end Osi Umenyiora to snap? 2. New England Patriots: If Bill Belichick pulled off a trade in which he managed to swap picks with himself, would his reputation for masterful maneuvering reach an unprecedented plateau? [ Dan Wetzel: Pats move up twice during first round in a dramatic shift in strategy ] 3. Green Bay Packers: Yo, Ted Thompson, feeling a bit defensive – and does having a 28-year-old superstar quarterback impact your thinking much? 4. Baltimore Ravens: When second-round draft pick Courtney Upshaw lines up across from new teammate Michael Oher in training camp, will their biological and surrogate parents be there to cheer them on? 5. San Francisco 49ers: How happy is Jim Harbaugh that the Niners drafted a receiver whose high school nickname was "E.T." and not "Edward Scissorhands"? 6. Houston Texans: With the drafting of Wade Phillips' newest pass-rushing toy, will the Texans' defense be Mercilus in 2012? 7. Pittsburgh Steelers: Got beef? [ Les Carpenter: Draft picks spend more time in Radio City than anticipated ] 8. Detroit Lions: If the decision-makers in the Lions' war room "listened to our board" and started speaking in Matt Millen's voice, would the team's medical staff pass out handfuls of clozapine? 9. Atlanta Falcons: Hey, Thomas Dimitroff – if second-round pick Peter Konz could play guard and center at the same time, would you have made another Julio Jones-style trade to get him sixth overall? 10. Philadelphia Eagles: After assuring offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg that Philly's plan to use a third-round pick on former Arizona quarterback Nick Foles was "a great one", was Michael Vick tempted to add, "By the way – who's Nick Foles?" 11. New Orleans Saints: When Saints general manager Mickey Loomis called in his third-round pick of Regina defensive tackle Akiem Hicks Friday night, was NFL commissioner Roger Goodell tempted to grab the phone and interject, "Yeah, we know – we've got your war room wiretapped …" [ Fantasy: A dozen draftees bound to make an immediate fantasy impact ] 12. Denver Broncos: Will Brock Osweiler become the tallest-ever teammate to bend down and polish Peyton Manning's dress shoes before a Quarterbacks' Night Out at training camp? 13. Dallas Cowboys: What was the Wonderlic score of the Dallas Morning News website editor who posted this headline about first-round draft pick "Morrris" Claiborne? 14. New York Jets: Am I the only one who wonders whether, based on their 2011 performance, the Jets should have drafted an offensive lineman before the sixth round? 15. Cincinnati Bengals: After Rutgers receiver Mohamed Sanu got a prank call telling him the Bengals were taking him in the first round Thursday night, shouldn't Redskins tight end Chris Cooley have been considered the prime suspect? Notre Dame WR Michael Floyd is headed to Arizona. (AP) 16. Arizona Cardinals: If I'd been at Larry Fitzgerald's house for the first round of this year's draft, would he have reacted to the selection of Notre Dame receiver Michael Floyd by racing jubilantly through his open-air living room and jumping into the pool? [Yahoo! Sports Shop: Buy NFL player T-shirts and team gear] 17. San Diego Chargers: After learning that Chargers GM A.J. Smith had called him a "mean, nasty man", shouldn't first-round pick Melvin Ingram have extended his hand and retorted, "Pot, meet kettle"? 18. Carolina Panthers: How crazy is it that this year's No. 1 pick, Boston College middle linebacker Luke Kuechly, is smaller than last year's No. 1, quarterback Cam Newton? 19. Buffalo Bills: When general manager Buddy Nix described the Bills as "riverboat gamblers" after trading up to get North Carolina State wideout T.J. Graham in the third round, why did I immediately picture this body of water? 20. Chicago Bears: Will the new receiving tandem of Brandon Marshall and second-round pick Alshon Jeffery cause more havoc in opposing secondaries, or in the Bears' locker room? 21. Washington Redskins: When the 'Skins released quarterback John Beck on Saturday, was he humming my altered-lyric version of this iconic '90s tune from his alt-rock namesake? 22. St. Louis Rams: In an effort to help veteran Cortland Finnegan mentor newly drafted cornerbacks Janoris Jenkins and Trumaine Johnson, will coach Jeff Fisher provide the former Titans standout with a Taser gun? [ Rams' war room: Roll dice on Janoris Jenkin \| Select next T.O. ] 23. Tennessee Titans: After NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock described second-round pick Zach Brown as "allergic to contact", how awesome would it have been to see Brown fly across the set at Radio City Music Hall, slam Mayock into the orchestra pit and yell "Gesundheit"? 24. Seattle Seahawks: What's more surprising – that Pete Carroll and Jon Schneider drafted a quarterback in the third round, or that Wisconsin's Russell Wilson is the team's highest-drafted passer in nearly two decades? 25. Oakland Raiders: How disconcerting is it that post-Al Davis Raiders are resolutely boring on draft day, and can't new GM Reggie McKenzie just indulge us with one ultra-swift, lowly regarded "reach" pick per year? 26. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: If the Muscle Hamster runs wild at Raymond James Stadium, will they put a large, spinning wheel next to the pirate ship in Doug Martin's honor? 27. Cleveland Browns: As of Thursday night, is Colt McCoy nostalgic for a little one-on-one time with Brian Daboll? 28. Kansas City Chiefs: Do Scott Pioli and Romeo Crennel seem overly optimistic in their assessment of the Chiefs' talent level – or am I just so pessimistic about K.C.'s quarterback situation that it completely clouds my thinking? 29. Jacksonville Jaguars: To realize value as the 70th overall pick, would Bryan Anger have to figure out a way to get footballs to explode upon making contact with a punt returner? 30. Minnesota Vikings: Yo, Matt Kalil – while proclaiming how much more Minnesota than California you are, were you neglecting to account for the possibility that the team which drafted you might soon be West Coast-bound? 31. Miami Dolphins: Does Jeff Irleand's latest rebuilding project involve replacing his best player – and, if so, why do I sense another protest brewing? [ Jason Cole: Colts use Day 2 of draft to get Andrew Luck weapons in form of 2 TEs and a WR ] 32. Indianapolis Colts: Now that former Stanford tight end Coby Fleener has successfully convinced an NFL team he was worthy of being selected with the 34th overall pick, will he grow his hair out and lose the whole Rob Gronkowski impersonation bit?
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Dayze Resident Glue Sniffer Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $1779358	The fact that this defense is on it's way to being a really really good defense; and that we have a good stable of RBs....but a shit QB, reminds me of the line from Raising Arizona: Eight hundred leaf tables and no chairs?! You can't sell leaf tables and no chairs! Chairs, you got a dinette set! No chairs, you got dick! Franchise QBs are Chairs. Championships are sales Chiefs are 800 chairless leaf tables. Last edited by Dayze; 05-01-2012 at 08:16 AM..
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FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $-1753986	Looking at the Sagarin ratings for the last two years which taken into account strength of schedule, margin of victory (defeat), and all that other stuff, it had us 24th in 2010 and 29th in 2011. It's pretty accurate in predicting the Vegas line, and overall a pretty solid ranking system. You win in the NFL by having a decent defense, and the ability to move the ball through the air. We have a decent defense, but unless Daboll is able to get a hell of a lot more out of Cassel than Haley was, how are we going to consistently move the ball through the air? With a good running attack, a good D, and only throwing occasionally, I can see us beating bad to average teams in close games, but we'll get blown out against teams again unless our passing attack improves. Edit: Pioli essentially doubled down on Cassel, and is implicitly blaming Haley (and evidently our O-line) for our passing woes. If Cassel does not dramatically improve, Pioli shouldn't have a job next year. Last edited by FringeNC; 05-01-2012 at 08:06 AM..
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	For years Pioli has talked about drafting the right players - team captains, high character players, etc. Yet last year, there was an obvious difference when the players took the field for Romeo than they did in Haley's last few games. If you've been drafting high character players, shouldn't those guys give the same effort no matter who is coach? As far as schedule is concerned WHEN you play someone is just as important as WHO you play. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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