Junior Seau dead, probable suicide

[Jenson71]

Originally Posted by Frosty

There is starting to be more and more evidence that constant small trauma to the brain is cumulative and can create pretty significant problems at a relatively young age. I've read that it can lead to depression, so it's possible that is the case here.

The NFL is bracing itself for a multi-billion dollar class action that could cripple the sport.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by Literature

The NFL is bracing itself for a multi-billion dollar class action that could cripple the sport.

Yep. And it is sheer lunacy. There is implied consent there that should relieve the NFL of any punitive liability.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by vailpass

Yep. And it is sheer lunacy. There is implied consent there that should relieve the NFL of any punitive liability.

Put 9 individuals in a room and tell them that a billion-dollar entity run by a bunch of exceptionally rich men has tacitly accepted the deaths of its employees.

Oh sure, there will be defenses made, some of them valid. But if you can ever claim to know what a jury is going to decide, especially in a very emotionally charged issue, you're a far better man than I.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Put 9 individuals in a room and tell them that a billion-dollar entity run by a bunch of exceptionally rich men has tacitly accepted the deaths of its employees.

Oh sure, there will be defenses made, some of them valid. But if you can ever claim to know what a jury is going to decide, especially in a very emotionally charged issue, you're a far better man than I.

Tell them those employees are multi-millionaires who knew exactly what they were doing when they accepted that money.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by vailpass

Tell them those employees are multi-millionaires who knew exactly what they were doing when they accepted that money.

Give it your best shot.

But don't be surprised one way or the other. At best it will be a coin-flip scenario.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Give it your best shot.

But don't be surprised one way or the other. At best it will be a coin-flip scenario.

Sounds like you are rooting for the league to lose?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by vailpass

Sounds like you are rooting for the league to lose?

Read it however you want. I love the NFL and would hate to see anything happen to it.

But I've worked with plenty of juries.

I'm not 'rooting' either way, I'm simply saying I know which side I'd be betting on once the thing went to the scorecards.

[Jenson71]

Originally Posted by vailpass

Sounds like you are rooting for the league to lose?

If you want to watch NFL games in 10 years, I would be concerned. And I would start demanding higher standards.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Put 9 individuals in a room and tell them that a billion-dollar entity run by a bunch of exceptionally rich men has tacitly accepted the deaths of its employees.

Oh sure, there will be defenses made, some of them valid. But if you can ever claim to know what a jury is going to decide, especially in a very emotionally charged issue, you're a far better man than I.

And the "victims" in the case heartily volunteered, enthusiastically played the game and were handsomely rewarded for their choice.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Donger

And the "victims" in the case heartily volunteered, enthusiastically played the game and were handsomely rewarded for their choice.

Just like the woman that put a cup of coffee between her legs and suffered 2nd degree burns for it.

Sure, she put hot coffee where she shouldn't have, but McDonalds knew that the coffee was hot enough to cause burns leading to skin-grafs and did nothing about it.

A so called 'acceptance' of the risks here isn't going to get the NFL off the hook - it never gets the deepest pockets off the hook.

Juries do what they do. They'll see the faceless conglomerate of super-wealthy individuals that had concussion studies done and ignored and they'll compare those to the individual plaintiffs, be they players or the families of players that died.

Don't coach - bet. What you think the jury should do is irrelevant. What you claim you would do where you a 1-man jury is equally irrelevant (afterall, both you and veilpass would get your asses bounced from the pool). History tells us what the jury will do.

Ignore it at your own peril.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Just like the woman that put a cup of coffee between her legs and suffered 2nd degree burns for it.

Sure, she put hot coffee where she shouldn't have, but McDonalds knew that the coffee was hot enough to cause burns leading to skin-grafs and did nothing about it.

A so called 'acceptance' of the risks here isn't going to get the NFL off the hook - it never gets the deepest pockets off the hook.

Juries do what they do. They'll see the faceless conglomerate of super-wealthy individuals that had concussion studies done and ignored and they'll compare those to the individual plaintiffs, be they players or the families of players that died.

Don't coach - bet. What you think the jury should do is irrelevant. What you claim you would do where you a 1-man jury is equally irrelevant (afterall, both you and veilpass would get your asses bounced from the pool). History tells us what the jury will do.

Ignore it at your own peril.

If I wanted to remain in that jury pool I assure you I could do so.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by vailpass

If I wanted to remain in that jury pool I assure you I could do so.

Yeah, billions of dollars at stake, they're not going to be looking deep up your pooper or anything.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by vailpass

If I wanted to remain in that jury pool I assure you I could do so.

Go ahead and lie under voir dire; we'll make sure that whatever verdict you're a part of gets tossed out and by God we'll try again.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Just like the woman that put a cup of coffee between her legs and suffered 2nd degree burns for it.

Sure, she put hot coffee where she shouldn't have, but McDonalds knew that the coffee was hot enough to cause burns leading to skin-grafs and did nothing about it.

A so called 'acceptance' of the risks here isn't going to get the NFL off the hook - it never gets the deepest pockets off the hook.

Juries do what they do. They'll see the faceless conglomerate of super-wealthy individuals that had concussion studies done and ignored and they'll compare those to the individual plaintiffs, be they players or the families of players that died.

Don't coach - bet. What you think the jury should do is irrelevant. What you claim you would do where you a 1-man jury is equally irrelevant (afterall, both you and veilpass would get your asses bounced from the pool). History tells us what the jury will do.

Ignore it at your own peril.

Oh sure, juries will be juries. I was specifically referring to the apparent victimization that some here are affording the players. I would think that even the dimmest player in the NFL would strap on that helmet for the first time and think, "Hmmm, helmet eh? Is this dangerous and violent?"

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Donger

Oh sure, juries will be juries. I was specifically referring to the apparent victimization that some here are affording the players. I would think that even the dimmest player in the NFL would strap on that helmet for the first time and think, "Hmmm, helmet eh? Is this dangerous and violent?"

I dunno. Young men are not good at calculating risk on stuff like this.

It does make me wonder, though, why guys like Dave Duerson and Mike Webster go down and guys like Willie Lanier and Jerry Kramer cruise into old age. Is it a hardwired risk of physiology that could one day be predicted, or did the Duerson/Webster cohort just take one unlucky hit that kickstarted an irreversible process?