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Old 06-22-2012, 08:12 PM  
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Jerry Sandusky found GUILTY on 45 of 48 counts...
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Jerry #Sandusky has been found guilty on 45 of the 48 charges against him.

Maximum of 442 years in prison. I bet he doesn't make it 3 years.

Burn in hell...
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:07 AM   #196
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As many others didn't as well.
when he witnessed it first hand he had the power to put an end to it all...


he had the best shot IMO.
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:09 AM   #197
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I don't think your considering how much your life will change if you tattle on a school and legendary head coach. Especially if it sinks Penn state.
Look at Steve bartman. Look at fanatics who rallied aaround joe pa. Look at fanatics who sent death threats to mcqueary for having the "audacity" to speak up.
If they conduct themselves that way...WTH would I ever want to work there with those people. I would be just like them...and I'd rather be able to look at myself in the mirror. While what you say is a very real consequence, my personal principles don't allow me to care about that, because I'll get another job if I am a good coach. If I am a bad coach...I should do it anyway and get another career. Doing the right thing isn't really that hard even if you must be couragous
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:11 AM   #198
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If you had to choose, would you choose receiving death threats or living with the fact that you didn't do what you could have to stop a serial child molester?
I would hope I'd choose the former. But people here oversimplify how easy that is. Steve bartmans life was a living hell and I imagine mcquearys would have been. Its a llose lose situation. If not for joe pa and the other scumbags, mcqueary should never have been put in that position.
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:11 AM   #199
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nothing courageous about doing the RIGHT THING HERE.
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:14 AM   #200
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I would hope I'd choose the former. But people here oversimplify how easy that is. Steve bartmans life was a living hell and I imagine mcquearys would have been. Its a llose lose situation. If not for joe pa and the other scumbags, mcqueary should never have been put in that position.
why do you keep pulling shit out that is in NO WAY = to molestation.

bartman ****ed up a GAME. this ****er RUINED ACTUAL LIVES>


mcqeary probably would have had some people mad at him, MORE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE LIKELY APPLAUDED HIM. and he most likely would NOT have had ANY issue getting a job as a recruiter.


anyone that could take down that regime would be someone people would have trusted to send their kids to college with, parents would know he had the children's best in mind.
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:19 AM   #201
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NO HE DID NOT! He caught the sick son of a b!tch in the act and walked away from it. That falls waaaaaaaaaaaay below the actions of a reasonable person.

JFC, could you be any more stupid?
Because there is a difference between making a bad decision deliberately and making a bad decision in a snap decision. Mcqueary said he didn't act, out of embarrassment. That he was seeing something he shouldn't have seen and felt guilty tor having seen it. That may sound unreasonable but its really not. When you are shocked by things you see you often react in weird way. We can't ignore thqt seeing that kind of thing would put you in a fuzzy mental state. I think we are being unrealistic if we tthink every one of us with a conscience would immediately react appropriately oor reasonably. Especially if we are talking about someone you know.
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:20 AM   #202
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zilla, please just ....

...you've said the same thing at least one hundred times, and it's all still nothing more than unmitigated BS.
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:25 AM   #203
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why do you keep pulling shit out that is in NO WAY = to molestation.

bartman ****ed up a GAME. this ****er RUINED ACTUAL LIVES>


mcqeary probably would have had some people mad at him, MORE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE LIKELY APPLAUDED HIM. and he most likely would NOT have had ANY issue getting a job as a recruiter.


anyone that could take down that regime would be someone people would have trusted to send their kids to college with, parents would know he had the children's best in mind.
That is totally and utterly unrealistic.

There was a riot in the streets over firing joe pa. Mcqueary got death threats from psu fans and it would have been a lot worse if he would have went straight to the cops.

And the idea that he could still coach is laughable. You think big football programs don't cover up rapes and assaults and illegal transactions on a regular basis?

It would not bbe easy being known as the guy who took ddown sandusky. Even worse to take ddown joe pa. God help a guy who sinks a big football program like Penn state.
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:27 AM   #204
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That is totally and utterly unrealistic.

There was a riot in the streets over firing joe pa. Mcqueary got death threats from psu fans and it would have been a lot worse if he would have went straight to the cops.

And the idea that he could still coach is laughable. You think big football programs don't cover up rapes and assaults and illegal transactions on a regular basis?

It would not bbe easy being known as the guy who took ddown sandusky. Even worse to take ddown joe pa. God help a guy who sinks a big football program like Penn state.
everything i have said is 100 times more realistic than whatever world you are living in.
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:28 AM   #205
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and again with the "snap decision" bullshit.


that happened YEARS ago. he had PLENTY of time to think about it and make the right decision.


you are a ****ing idiot.
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Because there is a difference between making a bad decision deliberately and making a bad decision in a snap decision. Mcqueary said he didn't act, out of embarrassment. That he was seeing something he shouldn't have seen and felt guilty tor having seen it. That may sound unreasonable but its really not. When you are shocked by things you see you often react in weird way. We can't ignore thqt seeing that kind of thing would put you in a fuzzy mental state. I think we are being unrealistic if we tthink every one of us with a conscience would immediately react appropriately oor reasonably. Especially if we are talking about someone you know.
he ****ing felt guilty because he knew he LET IT CONTINUE.

fuzzy mental state? goddamn you are ****ing stupid.
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:33 AM   #208
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I appreciate your position and insight on this topic. In the fight, flight or freeze scenario McQueary had thrust upon him I would likely have frozen like he did. I am not proud of it, but people are wired differently I suppose. But BigRock's argument is absolutely true. If I did nothing after ten years I would expect nothing but scorn. I would hate myself as McQueary does. Ultimately, tho, I would know I deserve it.
Yes, you and big rock are looking at it rationally rather than emotionally. I cant answer that. And he does deserve his share of criticism because he didnt do enough. The problem is when tough guys on the sideline want to trivialize how easy these decisions are. These are decisions that will forever change your life. The problem is, it shouldn't have to be that way. If paterno curley and Schultz did their jobs the decision could have been real easy. If the NCAA wasn't so crooked, programs to keep secrets, mcqueary probably would have had no reservation blowing the whistle. Its a systematic problem.
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That is totally and utterly unrealistic.

There was a riot in the streets over firing joe pa. Mcqueary got death threats from psu fans and it would have been a lot worse if he would have went straight to the cops.

And the idea that he could still coach is laughable. You think big football programs don't cover up rapes and assaults and illegal transactions on a regular basis?

It would not bbe easy being known as the guy who took ddown sandusky. Even worse to take ddown joe pa. God help a guy who sinks a big football program like Penn state.
Getting death threats and people actually following through on it are two different things.

You think programs cover up rapes on a regular basis? You are the king of ****ing blanket statements. You pull out completely bullshit statistics in this thread and then make a claim like this? Laughable. Completely ****ing laughable.

No one gives a shit about taking down Sandusky. If the whistle was blown on this shit back in the early 2000s, it would not have been even close to the circus it became last year because people in authority positions actually would have done their job as mandated reporters.
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why do you keep pulling shit out that is in NO WAY = to molestation.

bartman ****ed up a GAME. this ****er RUINED ACTUAL LIVES>


mcqeary probably would have had some people mad at him, MORE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE LIKELY APPLAUDED HIM. and he most likely would NOT have had ANY issue getting a job as a recruiter.


anyone that could take down that regime would be someone people would have trusted to send their kids to college with, parents would know he had the children's best in mind.
Chiefzilla with quite possibly the worst analogy I've ever read in my entire life. Steve Bartman affected a baseball game. Jerry Sandusky ruined the lifes of tens of people. Probably more.
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