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Old 07-17-2012, 11:45 AM  
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How does Dwayne Bowe rank among the elite WR's?
Sorry, didn't want this getting overlooked in the other thread. Then again, people will probably ignore it anyway - I know some of you will appreciate this.


I keep seeing people say that Dwayne Bowe isn't an elite WR. So I decided to do some research to see how he matches up statistically over his 5 years in the league.

What I found, is that statistically, Bowe is the 10th best WR of the last 5 years.

I found 9 other WR's that either had better yardage totals, better TD numbers or both. He was 10th in yardage, tied for 6th in TD's.

Here's the list. (Yardage/TD's) Bolded players have fewer or same TD's as Bowe.


Larry Fitzgerald - 6480/49

Roddy White - 6422/42

Reggie Wayne - 6234/36

Wes Welker - 6105/31

Calvin Johnson - 5872/49

Andre Johnson - 5703/35

Greg Jennings - 5539/46

Steve Smith - 5353/29

Marques Colston - 5202/40

Dwayne Bowe - 4927/36


Personally, I think that's impressive on its own.

Especially when you consider the only guy on this list who is younger is Megatron. I'd be curious to see how he matches up to the same players during each of their first 5 seasons.

Anyway, when you compare Bowe's number's to the #1 yardage and #1 TD's - he's not nearly as far off as it seems.

It comes down to 19.41 yard a game, and .16 TD's per game.

Factor in that Bowe is missing something the other 9 have - solid QB play.

After looking at this, its hard for me to say Dwayne Bowe is NOT an elite WR, considering how his numbers match up to the "elite" and never having the benefit of decent QB play.

I'm pretty confident in saying that with solid QB play, Bowe would easily make up 19.41 yards and .16 TD's a game.

Like him or not, he's an elite WR - and has shown it over his 5 years in the league.

Dude deserved elite money.

Or, tl;dr - **** him.

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Old 07-17-2012, 07:19 PM   #241
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So do Houston, Bailey, Lewis, Hudson, Allen, Gray, Moeaki, Stanzi, Asamoah, Belcher, and many quality backups.
Pioli has made some good picks, and ****ed up the most important ones.
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The same thing that happened in Week 9 and 10 against Miami and Denver.

The Matt Cassel effect can strike at any time.
I guess so.


It was bad that he actually had a somewhat decent game against SD the week before to put us in a decent spot, then totally shit.



I know it won't happen, but it would be pretty fun to actually watch Stanzi play with this offense from the get go.
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The same thing that happened in Week 9 and 10 against Miami and Denver.

The Matt Cassel effect can strike at any time.
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So, how many years does a player have to produce to be proven then?
Good question.

Not sure I know the answer.

I'd say Dwayne Bowe has proven himself as an impact player.

I'd say that Tony Moeaki hasn't.

I'd say that Tamba Hali has proven himself as an impact player.

I'd say that Justin Houston hasn't.


Obviously, you're looking for consistent production over time.
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Good question.

Not sure I know the answer.

I'd say Dwayne Bowe has proven himself as an impact player.

I'd say that Tony Moeaki hasn't.

I'd say that Tamba Hali has proven himself as an impact player.

I'd say that Justin Houston hasn't.


Obviously, you're looking for consistent production over time.
For sure.



Thats where it becomes tough to evaluate someone like Berry and Charles, who were so good for one or two years, then had injury derail them. I guess we will wait and see.
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Pioli has made some good picks, and ****ed up the most important ones.
I disagree. McCluster has been more productive than you like, Poe is an unknown, and Jackson is a pretty damned good run stopper, with time to develop a pass rush.
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So to put it a little better in that we have a very promising roster that could develop into something special.



I think Houston and Hudson pan out to be solid, maybe with Houston potentially being better.

Obviously Berry and Charles, if healthy. I don't know about Moeaki, he has talent but can't stay healthy.

Someone like Bailey, I think it just what he is. I don't see anything special there. Baldwin is another guy who has talent, but you just never know.


So, like OTWP said, we have alot of "talent" but we don't know yet what that will turn into. I'm looking forward to the season for sure.


And to answer you again Aturnis, yes I would trade all of that for Cam.
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I disagree. McCluster has been more productive than you like, Poe is an unknown, and Jackson is a pretty damned good run stopper, with time to develop a pass rush.
I bet DMC doesn't have even 300 total yards this year.

Dude is not getting 200 touches again. #36? Shit value. Good value at that pick is a starter, not a 3rd stringer.

Jackson is a decent player who will never be a good value. Maybe if he'd been taken in the 3rd.
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I bet DMC doesn't have even 300 total yards this year.

Dude is not getting 200 touches again. #36? Shit value. Good value at that pick is a starter, not a 3rd stringer.

Jackson is a decent player who will never be a good value. Maybe if he'd been taken in the 3rd.
Isn't Jackson rated as one of the top 34 DE's in football?
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For sure.



Thats where it becomes tough to evaluate someone like Berry and Charles, who were so good for one or two years, then had injury derail them. I guess we will wait and see.
Here's a better example of what I'm referring to when it comes to people overdoing it when it comes to the talent level on this team.

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Jackson
Berry
Houston
Baldwin
Arenas
Moeaki
Bailey
Belcher
Lewis
Breaston
Asamoah
Winston
Boss
Hillis
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Eric berry
Dexter McCluster
Jovan Belcher
Tyson Jackson
Javier Arenas
Jon Asamoah
Tony Moeaki
Kendrick Lewis
Rodney Hudson
Allen Bailey
Justin Houston

WE HAVEN'T DEVELOPED ANYBODY?

Every one of those guys is either on pace to be a difference maker, or already is one.

I could continue to make the list bigger, but I think everyone gets the point.

Well, everyone but one or two of you anyway.
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Bailey, Hudson, and Baldwin have done jack shit. By what measurable standard can you say they are anything other than "yet to be determined". Same can be said for Boss, Winston, and Hillis regarding their time in KC. Moeaki and Houston are small sample size to be spoken of in the same breath as guys like Charles, Bowe, and Hali. Belcher, Arenas, and Jackson are middle of the road players who may not see a 2nd contract from KC.

I guess we can argue over what constitutes "talent" in the context of the conversation. To me, outside of Berry and perhaps Breaston, the stars of this team were already in place. Everyone else you listed is a combination of JAGs and maybes.

Jsp's response is spot on.

The bold is an alarming quote. On pace to be a difference maker, or already is one?

That's incredibly optimistic, and has no basis in reality.
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Isn't Jackson rated as one of the top 34 DE's in football?
He's 11th out of 32.

That's OK. #3 pick should be a lot better, and not be a goddamn 5tec. Maybe if he was the 11th best at a different position.
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