Football 1 Gap 3-4 Teams and 2 Gap 3-4 Teams - Page 3

Direckshun · 04:58 PM

A little football 101, with your assistance.

One of the reasons Aubrayo Franklin is not worth the contract for Kansas City is because San Francisco plays a different scheme than we do along the defensive line.

There are really two major schemes for the defensive line for the 3-4.

A one-gap 3-4 exhibits a more penetrating role for the DL. Both DEs and even the Nose Tackle are penetrating and aggressive. Typically you are going to ask your DL to be an iota or two smaller than we'd be accustomed to them being in a two-gap, and definitively more athletic.

A two-gap 3-4 is less about creating havoc yourself, and more about freeing up your teammates. The defensive line is more focused on forcing the offensive line to commit as much resources to holding you up as possible. You are literally there to occupy blockers and force double-teams. Your players here need to be very strong run defenders, don't have to be as athletic, but need to rush the passer in a pinch.

These are just generalizations of course. But they are two different schemes and often times, teams with one type of scheme will not even touch or look at players in another type of scheme, because they ask such different things that don't often translate. See: Franklin.

I was hoping you guys could help me sort out the 3-4 teams, which scheme they run.

These are the 3-4 defenses:

Patriots (hybrid)
Jets
Dolphins (hybrid)
Steelers
Ravens
Texans
Colts
Chiefs
Chargers
Redskins
Packers
Saints
49ers
Cardinals

The following teams primarily play two-gap.

Patriots (when they play 3-4)
Jets
Dolphins (when they play 3-4)
Ravens
Colts

The following teams primarily play one-gap.

Packers
49ers
Cardinals
Chargers
Texans
Steelers
Chiefs
Saints

I don't know about the following teams:

Redskins

Anybody know what the Redskins play?

**Rausch** · 08-09-2012, 07:34 AM

I disagree with the OP.

The only base defense we have is the 3-4.

HOW we play that changes as the game goes on/players get tired/players get injured.

We ran a lot of 4-3 some games once we started to get tore up on the ground and our down 3 change on 3rd down as well.

Romeo moves people around on defense as much as Saunders did on offense...

RustShack · 08-09-2012, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I disagree with the OP.

The only base defense we have is the 3-4.

HOW we play that changes as the game goes on/players get tired/players get injured.

We ran a lot of 4-3 some games once we started to get tore up on the ground and our down 3 change on 3rd down as well.

Romeo moves people around on defense as much as Saunders did on offense...

All teams have sub-packages...

Demonpenz · 08-09-2012, 08:48 AM

Part of the problem is mentality that if you get blocked by one person and it is a draw that you won somehow on defender, if you take up 2 blocks hurray, but 1 blocker...noooo

Just Passin' By · 08-09-2012, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

This thread was bumped due to confusion in the Poe thread about 3-4 defenses that different players play in.

Hopefully this will set folks straight for yet another offseason.

The Steelers run a 1 gap system, not a 2 gap system.

Quote:

The Steelers version is primarily a “one-gap” system. The Steelers’ linemen play slightly to the side of their blockers, rather than directly in front of them. They are responsible for controlling only one gap, while the linebacker behind them is responsible for the other gap.

“With the guys we have right now, when you play two-gap you tie them down”, said Steelers’ defensive line coach John Mitchell. “Aaron Smith can run. Brett Keisel can run. Casey does a good job running. We have good inside linebackers who can cover ground. We can get away with a line playing one gap”.

http://steelerstoday.com/?p=3210

Direckshun · 08-09-2012, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Not Gettin' It

The Steelers run a 1 gap system, not a 2 gap system.

http://steelerstoday.com/?p=3210

Straight from the horse's mouth.

Excellent work. OP will be changed in short time.

**BossChief** · 08-09-2012, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

what the **** ever ... if i wasn't so lazy i could show 5 times the number of plays where Belcher didn't penetrate and got caught up in the wash. In fact, against Baltimore it happened several times.

maybe Belcher will learn and develop like DJ did ... but not so far.

DJ and Belchers jobs are completely different.

Notice how Belcher is cheating to one side or the other presnap? That's because he watches enough film and is coached well enough to identify keys presnap that allow him to cheat to either side to gain a step in his responsibility...which is to identify the lead blocker and blow him up allowing DJ to make the tackle.

The fact that's his job and DJ was our leading tackler and Belcher was our second is a testament to how well the two work together.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-09-2012, 11:23 AM

What's interesting about 2-gap is that the trend is shifting to having a nose that can play somewhat across the line. Wilfork doesn't okay 20 to 25 snaps as many nose tackles do. He is now playing almost all the defensive snaps. It adds a lot of flexibility to have a nose that can rotate into a 5-technique without taking the guy off the field. The 5-technique is still 2-gap. But you see where I'm coming from.

Hence, why they went after Poe. As I've said before,I imagine the chiefs top priority is to get him to learn one position, nose tackle, wel. But in a few months, I bet he plays across the line.

Xanathol · 08-09-2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

A two-gap 3-4 is less about creating havoc yourself, and more about freeing up your teammates. The defensive line is more focused on forcing the offensive line to commit as much resources to holding you up as possible. You are literally there to occupy blockers and force double-teams. Your players here need to be very strong run defenders, don't have to be as athletic, but need to rush the passer in a pinch.

The bold part is a bit off - collapse the pocket, sometimes, but never really pass rushers. A 1 gap system relies more on the 3-4 DL applying pass rushing pressure than a 2 gap system. You'll notice sometimes that a 2 gap 3-4 will also put a DL on watch for a draw ( Dorsey often has this role for the Chiefs, hanging out by the line vs working upfield ). All depends on the system, game plan, and play call.

OctoberFart · 08-09-2012, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

What do the Chargers play? We can throw the Texans in with them of course.

I think the Bills are one-gap, based on Kyle Williams and Marcell Dareus...

Bills play 4-3 but you can line a 4-3 exactly like a 3-4 and play same concept. Donkeys do that with Von Miller with a 4-3 under alignment which frees up Miller to rush the passer and puts him on the line next to a DE. Marty ran DT like that back in the hey day.

Dayze · 08-09-2012, 03:22 PM

I saw that video "1 Poe, 2 Gaps".

nasty

RustShack · 08-09-2012, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AutumnWind

Bills play 4-3 but you can line a 4-3 exactly like a 3-4 and play same concept. Donkeys do that with Von Miller with a 4-3 under alignment which frees up Miller to rush the passer and puts him on the line next to a DE. Marty ran DT like that back in the hey day.

This whole post seems pretty wrong. I could be wrong, but since the Bills were just making the switch to the 3-4 under Gaily, I doubt they are already switching back. The Broncos use a 4-3, but yes they might use Miller more like Thomas.

RUSH · 08-09-2012, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

This whole post seems pretty wrong. I could be wrong, but since the Bills were just making the switch to the 3-4 under Gaily, I doubt they are already switching back. The Broncos use a 4-3, but yes they might use Miller more like Thomas.

He's right, the Bills are switching back to the 4-3.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...o-4-3-defense/

RustShack · 08-09-2012, 04:08 PM

Sucks for the Bills. You need to make a choice and stick with it. Don't be like the Raiders and make a change every year or two continuously setting your team back.

And I had no idea Wannstedt was a Bill now.

Sorter · 08-09-2012, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack

Sucks for the Bills. You need to make a choice and stick with it. Don't be like the Raiders and make a change every year or two continuously setting your team back.

And I had no idea Wannstedt was a Bill now.

Actually no. Their personnel is more fitted for a 4-3.

RustShack · 08-09-2012, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

Actually no. Their personnel is more fitted for a 4-3.

So you're saying in their attempt to switch to the 3-4, they literally didn't sign or draft a single player to make the switch? Interesting.

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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	1 Gap 3-4 Teams and 2 Gap 3-4 Teams A little football 101, with your assistance. One of the reasons Aubrayo Franklin is not worth the contract for Kansas City is because San Francisco plays a different scheme than we do along the defensive line. There are really two major schemes for the defensive line for the 3-4. A one-gap 3-4 exhibits a more penetrating role for the DL. Both DEs and even the Nose Tackle are penetrating and aggressive. Typically you are going to ask your DL to be an iota or two smaller than we'd be accustomed to them being in a two-gap, and definitively more athletic. A two-gap 3-4 is less about creating havoc yourself, and more about freeing up your teammates. The defensive line is more focused on forcing the offensive line to commit as much resources to holding you up as possible. You are literally there to occupy blockers and force double-teams. Your players here need to be very strong run defenders, don't have to be as athletic, but need to rush the passer in a pinch. These are just generalizations of course. But they are two different schemes and often times, teams with one type of scheme will not even touch or look at players in another type of scheme, because they ask such different things that don't often translate. See: Franklin. I was hoping you guys could help me sort out the 3-4 teams, which scheme they run. These are the 3-4 defenses: Patriots (hybrid) Jets Dolphins (hybrid) Steelers Ravens Texans Colts Chiefs Chargers Redskins Packers Saints 49ers Cardinals The following teams primarily play two-gap. Patriots (when they play 3-4) Jets Dolphins (when they play 3-4) Ravens Colts The following teams primarily play one-gap. Packers 49ers Cardinals Chargers Texans Steelers Chiefs Saints I don't know about the following teams: Redskins Anybody know what the Redskins play? Last edited by Direckshun; 03-05-2013 at 04:58 PM..
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