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Old 09-01-2012, 01:24 PM  
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Worried: Someone tell me why we won't get murdered by Atlanta.
Our D might well end up a good one as the season progresses. But I'm very very worried about the first game. Not just to lose, but to lose discouragingly big.

1- Our DL while solid has not shown signs of wreaking havoc in the opponents' backfield. Yes I'm told that's the style of 34 Romeo plays. But wait....

2- Without Tamba Hali Ryan will have all day to throw, especially considering point 1.

3- The thought of Roddy White, Julio Jones, and Gonzo, against our depleted secondary stresses me to almost puking.

This is gonna be one of those games when we see passes completed against our D with scary consistency. The only way we have any chance to win this is if we can manage long time consuming run heavy drives that would keep the Atlanta O on the bench for the majority of the game. Maybe that's why Daboll was emphasizing the run in the last preseason game so much.

Tell me something hopeful.
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Old 09-03-2012, 03:42 PM   #226
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The only guy I'd take over Arenas out of those guys is Cody.

BTW...calling Cody or Spikes a "3 down player" is a ****ing joke and shows your inability to understand your own comment.
all those guys start

at real NFL positions and not a part time gadget 2nd string position
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Old 09-03-2012, 03:45 PM   #227
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I wouldn't say it was a BAD pick.

I would just say he was drafted a little too high.

It's not like Arenas sucks or anything. He's good at what he does. He's not Dexter McCluster. I appreciate what Arenas does for our team.

But when you draft a corner that high, he should absolutely have the ability to be a starter, or at least a spot starter.

It's OK to make a pick like Arenas when you are nailing your other high picks.

Pioli doesn't, unfortunately.
WTF?

In todays NFL, a nickel corner is basically a starter.

How many snaps did Arenas play last year as opposed to Carr or Flowers?

60-70% is my guess.

Lets not act like Pioli hasn't drafted extremely well, either.

We have been one of the best drafting teams in the league the last 4 drafts.
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Old 09-03-2012, 03:46 PM   #228
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How many snaps did Arenas play last year as opposed to Carr or Flowers?

60-70% is my guess.
382 snaps

Almost 1,000 for Flowers.

Not remotely the same thing.

And he can't start on the outside in the event of an injury.

That is why his value is lower.

Shit, there were 8 games last year where he played less than 20 snaps.

2nd round pick?
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Old 09-03-2012, 03:50 PM   #231
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WTF?

In todays NFL, a nickel corner is basically a starter.

How many snaps did Arenas play last year as opposed to Carr or Flowers?

60-70% is my guess.

Lets not act like Pioli hasn't drafted extremely well, either.

We have been one of the best drafting teams in the league the last 4 drafts.
I would agree with you here. Pioli has mostly done a very remarkable job building this roster. It's a shame his croneyism has led him to, in my opinion, less than perfect decisions at the two most important jobs on an NFL team -- head coach and Quarterback. If we get a real QB, this is a very, very dangerous team for years to come.
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Old 09-03-2012, 03:50 PM   #233
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all those guys start

at real NFL positions and not a part time gadget 2nd string position
Stop embarrassing yourself by using NFL terms and just walk away.
Slowly.

I bet Arenas played more snaps than Spikes or Cody.

Tate is injury prone.

Angerer and Lee are decent linebackers, but I don't think the difference between either guy and Belcher is that big.

The difference between Arenas and the other corners we have had playing nickel for us over the years? HUGE
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Old 09-03-2012, 03:54 PM   #234
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382 snaps

Almost 1,000 for Flowers.

Not remotely the same thing.

And he can't start on the outside in the event of an injury.

That is why his value is lower.

Shit, there were 8 games last year where he played less than 20 snaps.

2nd round pick?
That doesn't matter. Teams are increasing the amount of times you play in the spread. Plain and simple, if you want to beat teams like New England and New Orleans in the playoffs, you have to have outstanding play from the nickel and they may be called on to play over half of the snaps.

Taking a role player late in the second is okay. I don't know why people are treating that pick like it's some kind of a money-maker. You're either going to take a really good role player or likely take a very good player at a tier 2 position like Inside LB or Safety or Guard. If you're very, very lucky, you get a top-notch tier 1 player, but that doesn't happen nearly as often as we think.

So no, I'm not going to get upset if we chose a nickel back over an Inside LB.
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Arenas - 382 snaps
Spikes - 542 snaps in only 11 games (incl. playoffs)
Cody - 544 snaps in 18 games (incl. playoffs)

value? how does it work?
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I wouldn't call Arenas a gadget at all.

Again, he's not Dexter McBuster.

He's a player with value on our defense.

Value that can be found in the 3rd or 4th.
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Arenas - 382 snaps
Spikes - 542 snaps in only 11 games (incl. playoffs)
Cody - 544 snaps in 18 games (incl. playoffs)

value? how does it work?
You cant count playoff snaps and keep it fair.

Those have to be taken out to have a level playing field.
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I wouldn't call Arenas a gadget at all.

Again, he's not Dexter McBuster.

He's a player with value on our defense.

Value that can be found in the 3rd or 4th.
JFC

Did you just glance over the whole post where I posted every corner drafted in the 3rd and 4th round over the last 3 drafts?

There is VERY LITTLE non trash in the list.

Stop posting in 1996 style.
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