Worried: Someone tell me why we won't get murdered by Atlanta.

[Black Bob]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Football is a game of percentages.

No, first round QBs aren't automatically good.

But your chances of finding a GOOD QB outside of the 1st round are about equal to your chances of being struck by lightning.

But what defines a good QB? Instead of trying to find a guy that will throw for 3 million yards, we need to fine the formula for what it takes to win. If we do that, we are onto something. There have been plenty of QBs who were Capable of winning Superbowls that didn't for various reasons.

[suds79]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

There have been plenty of QBs who were Capable of winning Superbowls that didn't for various reasons.

You're right. Getting that franchise guy doesn't give you a SB. It makes your team eligible. From there it depends on the quality of the rest of the team, HC, etc.

But without one? No shot.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

But what defines a good QB?

This is the argument of defeat - semantics.

You should just give up now.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

But what defines a good QB? Instead of trying to find a guy that will throw for 3 million yards, we need to fine the formula for what it takes to win. If we do that, we are onto something. There have been plenty of QBs who were Capable of winning Superbowls that didn't for various reasons.

A QB who has ability to scan the entire field, go through his progressions, and find a receiver even if he isn't the primary read. Cassel doesn't do that. He locks onto his primary guy then looks to his safety net.

A QB with the pocket presence to smell pressure and know where to slide in the pocket. Tom Brady is masterful at this. When he sense pressure, he doesn't scramble. He slides to a new spot. Cassel looked horrible behind the same offensive line that Brady and Orton got tremendous protection behind.

A QB with accuracy and touch. Eli Manning throws with precision, as with the Manningham catch. Aaron Rodgers, Brees, etc... are so precise the ball is put on exactly the right shoulder based on the WR's position. Cassel almost ALWAYS throws the ball to a receiver that is open by at least 5 yards.

A QB with anticipation to throw the ball before the receiver flies open.

A QB who is enough of a deep threat. Despite teams cheating up and putting 8 in a box, Cassel has one of the worst deep pass % completion in the league.

A QB who can read the defense and react to the blitz. Defenses constantly had more blitzers than blockers, and Cassel never picked it up. And Cassel NEVER finds a hot route.

A QB who can lead a team from behind. It's been 3 years now. Cassel has allowed blowouts to happen because instead of shooting out with the other team, he wastes the first 4 possessions when the other team gets an early lead. And in 3 years, how many 2 minute comebacks has he engineered?

Sorry, but we shouldn't congratulate a QB who can thrash bad defenses and relies on a "is my primary receiver wide open, or can I check down." My standard has always been, could a very average QB do the same things as Cassel. And I'd say "yes, and probably much better."

[Black Bob]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

A QB who has ability to scan the entire field, go through his progressions, and find a receiver even if he isn't the primary read. Cassel doesn't do that. He locks onto his primary guy then looks to his safety net.

A QB with the pocket presence to smell pressure and know where to slide in the pocket. Tom Brady is masterful at this. When he sense pressure, he doesn't scramble. He slides to a new spot. Cassel looked horrible behind the same offensive line that Brady and Orton got tremendous protection behind.

A QB with accuracy and touch. Eli Manning throws with precision, as with the Manningham catch. Aaron Rodgers, Brees, etc... are so precise the ball is put on exactly the right shoulder based on the WR's position. Cassel almost ALWAYS throws the ball to a receiver that is open by at least 5 yards.

A QB with anticipation to throw the ball before the receiver flies open.

A QB who is enough of a deep threat. Despite teams cheating up and putting 8 in a box, Cassel has one of the worst deep pass % completion in the league.

A QB who can read the defense and react to the blitz. Defenses constantly had more blitzers than blockers, and Cassel never picked it up. And Cassel NEVER finds a hot route.

A QB who can lead a team from behind. It's been 3 years now. Cassel has allowed blowouts to happen because instead of shooting out with the other team, he wastes the first 4 possessions when the other team gets an early lead. And in 3 years, how many 2 minute comebacks has he engineered?

Sorry, but we shouldn't congratulate a QB who can thrash bad defenses and relies on a "is my primary receiver wide open, or can I check down." My standard has always been, could a very average QB do the same things as Cassel. And I'd say "yes, and probably much better."

That is going to be hard to find. It's tough to find a QB with all of that. There are probably less than 20 who have all that in the history of the entire game. Leading a team from behind is what I am looking for. It's what Brady had and Russell Wilson had coming out. It's the most important thing imo. If a guy can't do that, then I would pass.

[Falconidae]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

That is going to be hard to find. It's tough to find a QB with all of that. There are probably less than 20 who have all that in the history of the entire game. Leading a team from behind is what I am looking for. It's what Brady had and Russell Wilson had coming out. It's the most important thing imo. If a guy can't do that, then I would pass.

You the black bob that disappeared from the falcons messageboard after predicting a Chiefs win based on superior depth?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Falconidae

You the black bob that disappeared from the falcons messageboard after predicting a Chiefs win based on superior depth?

If he was crying about Bowe and DJ whilst nibbling on Siler's nutsack...yep

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by Falconidae

You the BlackBob on the Falcons board that basically claimed that Siler in for DJ wasn't a huge drop off?

Originally Posted by Falconidae

You the black bob that disappeared from the falcons messageboard after predicting a Chiefs win based on superior depth?

***crickets***

[Black Bob]

Originally Posted by Falconidae

You the black bob that disappeared from the falcons messageboard after predicting a Chiefs win based on superior depth?

Yep. That was me. It wasn't enough and if you noticed, I didn't include Jaques Reeves on that list. Also, go **** yourself for misquoting me about Siler. I never said he wasn't a big drop off from DJ. You did asshole.

Originally Posted by PGM

If he was crying about Bowe and DJ whilst nibbling on Siler's nutsack...yep

Way to join in the boot party pussy.

[Falconidae]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

Yep. That was me. It wasn't enough and if you noticed, I didn't include Jaques Reeves on that list. Also, go **** yourself for misquoting me about Siler. I never said he wasn't a big drop off from DJ. You did asshole.

Dude, you go onto another teams messageboard, predict a win and then disappear when your team loses. Then, when you get called on it, have the gall to be offended by having to eat some crow

And as I explained, you implied Siler wasn't a huge dropoff from DJ, and when I pointed that out, you did the little brother thing " Well, I didn't say that". No, but it was a real logical interpretation of what you said.