Now Belcher is hurt.

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Adam Teicher ‏@adamteicher

Injury news for #Chiefs: belcher has sore groin, won't practice today


Adam Teicher ‏@adamteicher

Siler will take Belcher's place

[the Talking Can]

Kansas City Chiefs running back Larry Johnson (27) get away from San Diego Chargers safety Eric Weddle (32) and linebacker Brandon Siler (59)

THE CENTAUR

[Black Bob]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

DJ misses more tackles, because DJ is fast enough to get into position to make plays. Siler is not capable of getting to the plays that DJ is. You're literally blaming DJ for being good enough to even get to the ball carrier, while Siler benefits from being too slow and stupid to even be able to miss a tackle. He's just NOT INVOLVED IN THE PLAY.

If Siler were so good at tackling and were capable of getting to the play, he would get more tackles per game than DJ. He does not.

It's like a guy who ONLY swings at fastballs. He hits the ball more times per swing!

Fine. He also takes far more strikes on curves. What's your effing point?

All of this is why we need to draft this guy next year:

I get all of this. I know DJ is a better player. If Michael Turner is running straight at one of them, who do you trust to make the fundamental tackle and bring him down? Siler or DJ?

I think we are saying the same thing. This isn't about pursuit. This is about form. Jack Lambert was scary as hell and a playmaker and Jack Hamm was a better tackler. People remember Jack Lambert and forget about Hamm. Jack Hamm was the greatest fundamental tackler of all time.

[kcmaxwell]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

I get all of this. I know DJ is a better player. If Michael Turner is running straight at one of them, who do you trust to make the fundamental tackle and bring him down? Siler or DJ?

I think we are saying the same thing. This isn't about pursuit. This is about form. Jack Lambert was scary as hell and a playmaker and Jack Hamm was a better tackler. People remember Jack Lambert and forget about Hamm. Jack Hamm was the greatest fundamental tackler of all time.

DJ, hands down with no hesitation.

[Rausch]

I think Siler is perfect for the Levon Kirkland role.

The big hitter/space filler.

His problem is he "trods" left to right. He has no fucikng lateral movement at all. NONE.

His agility and quickness laterally are total $3it.

If he plays foreward, fills gaps, and makes tackles he could impress...

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

FWIW and because I don't have a side in this argument, that's Kevin Burnett. Not Siler.

[the Talking Can]

Washington Redskins running back Quinton Ganther (35) gets away from San Diego Chargers linebacker Brandon Siler

I'VE FALLEN AND CAN'T GET UP

[Black Bob]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I think Siler is perfect for the Levon Kirkland role.

The big hitter/space filler.

His problem is he "trods" left to right. He has no fucikng lateral movement at all. NONE.

His agility and quickness laterally are total $3it.

If he plays foreward, fills gaps, and makes tackles he could impress...

I agree and Kirkland is a good comparison.

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

Hey. Do you remember that play that made you gasp in horror this pre season?

You know, that one where all your confidence in this defense was once again shattered, splintered in pieces?

That one play where your jaw dropped in amazement as to how a defense that had come so far over the past two seasons could suddenly look like the keystone cop sequence you hated watching over the past decade?

Ya, that play where, suddenly, the season ahead was about to be come the nightmare ahead?

That one play that changed everyone's outlook of the Chiefs 2012?

The play where 30 seconds into the game, the starting defense got trampled by an aging downhill runner?

That play where the opposing offense handed the ball off and ran it straight at Dorsey and DJ?

That play where Dorsey couldn't get off a single block to make a tackle?

That play where DJ ran through the hole and 5 yards into the opposing backfield while the ball carrier ran for a huge gain in DJ's absence?

That play where the RB gouged the defense for 20 yards before he was tackled by the free safety?

That play that shattered everyone's hope for a good season?

I knew you would remember.

Just in case though, here's the play;

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...ams-highlights

30 seconds in.

Drama queen

[Brock]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

I get all of this. I know DJ is a better player. If Michael Turner is running straight at one of them, who do you trust to make the fundamental tackle and bring him down? Siler or DJ?

What a stupid question.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

FWIW and because I don't have a side in this argument, that's Kevin Burnett. Not Siler.

yeah, it appears so...mislabled

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

I get all of this. I know DJ is a better player. If Michael Turner is running straight at one of them, who do you trust to make the fundamental tackle and bring him down? Siler or DJ?

I think we are saying the same thing. This isn't about pursuit. This is about form. Jack Lambert was scary as hell and a playmaker and Jack Hamm was a better tackler. People remember Jack Lambert and forget about Hamm. Jack Hamm was the greatest fundamental tackler of all time.

Easily DJ.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

I get all of this. I know DJ is a better player. If Michael Turner is running straight at one of them, who do you trust to make the fundamental tackle and bring him down? Siler or DJ?

DJ obviously...but apparently you'd rather have the shittier player in

you must think our coaches are ****ing dumbasses to have the best tackler in the NFL sitting on the bench...

[Ace Gunner]

DJ misses tackles because he's "too fast & athletic" ????? Oh gawd. That is hilarious.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

I get all of this. I know DJ is a better player.

Can we please get this as his signature?

Originally Posted by BlackBob

If Michael Turner is running straight at one of them, who do you trust to make the fundamental tackle and bring him down? Siler or DJ?

If Michael Turner is running right at you, you do NOT try and hold your ground and form tackle. He'll break your clavicle. He has the size to do it, and he's RUNNING with you STANDING STILL.

DJ, smartly, would not try and "hit and wrap up." He would - as he does often - take out the runner's ankles. He's been doing it since UT, and it's how he ends up taking down so many runners in the backfield. He goes for their legs. I love it. I prefer it. Not everyone can do it effectively, but he can.

Now, what if it weren't Michael Turner? What if it were Darren Sproles? or McFadden? Forte? Mathews? Deangelo Williams? Any of the other runners that will just juke Siler out of his jockstrap and run around? Yeah...I'll still take DJ - because he won't lose those guys in the open field.

[Black Bob]

Originally Posted by kcmaxwell

DJ, hands down with no hesitation.

Are you sure?