Maas on 610 - There's no leadership...bring Marty as consultant

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by bringbackmarty

As much as I absolutely loved marty for his defense and his running game, I fail to see how his input could help this team. We need someone who is skilled at evaluating qb's. He's not that guy. I don't think of him as a shrewd evaluator of other positions either. Maybe he had some success drafting LB, DL, CB. Still that's less than five players.

Marty wins because he instills a fundamental winning football mindset into his players. Quickly.

If I was starting over with a franchise and wanted it to get competitive as quickly as possible, Marty would be #1 on my list.

Marty most likely would have several Super Bowl rings with several teams if not for bad breaks by players that were simply beyond his control. (Or in the case of San Diego, a psycho control freak GM.)

I wouldn't mind Marty as Director of Football Operations (or similar "consulting" position) one bit.

After the end of this perfect season.

One and Fifteeno for Geno.

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Marty wins because he instills a fundamental winning football mindset into his players. Quickly.

If I was starting over with a franchise and wanted it to get competitive as quickly as possible, Marty would be #1 on my list.

I shall remember to thank the Lord that you have no ability to make this awful decision on this franchise.

Marty most likely would have several Super Bowl rings with several teams if not for bad breaks by players that were simply beyond his control. (Or in the case of San Diego, a psycho control freak GM.)

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

I shall remember to thank the Lord that you have no ability to make this awful decision on this franchise.

So, I'll assume that you are happy with Pioli, Crennel and Cassel?

I'm not talking about coaching. That time has passed for Herr Shottenheimer. I'm agreeing with Maas that Marty does know a thing or two about football, winning football, and would be effective in a consultant type role as he has ties to the organization and the Hunts the last time this franchise had any sort or relevancy.

It's about instilling a certain mindset from the top down.

But if you are happy with the path that this franchise is on, then you, good sir, are entitled to that opinion.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

So, I'll assume that you are happy with Pioli, Crennel and Cassel?

I'm not talking about coaching. That time has passed for Herr Shottenheimer. I'm agreeing with Maas that Marty does know a thing or two about football, winning football, and would be effective in a consultant type role as he has ties to the organization and the Hunts the last time this franchise had any sort or relevancy.

It's about instilling a certain mindset from the top down.

But if you are happy with the path that this franchise is on, then you, good sir, are entitled to that opinion.

Typical Saccopoo "logic". If someone doesn't like a past proven failure then they must like the current failure.

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

So, I'll assume that you are happy with Pioli, Crennel and Cassel?

I'm not talking about coaching. That time has passed for Herr Shottenheimer. I'm agreeing with Maas that Marty does know a thing or two about football, winning football, and would be effective in a consultant type role as he has ties to the organization and the Hunts the last time this franchise had any sort or relevancy.

It's about instilling a certain mindset from the top down.

But if you are happy with the path that this franchise is on, then you, good sir, are entitled to that opinion.

Weak sauce...it's not an either/or option and silly to make such a ludicrous logical jump.

The Marty years were a mirage, go back and watch the games -- many of them KC had no business winning were never in the game and pulled out a miracle KO/Punt return, etc. Pffft...it's a waste of time to argue about Marty.

He's a proven loser. Just leave him be.

[KCUnited]

Watching this offense, I figured Marty was already on board.

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

Weak sauce...it's not an either/or option and silly to make such a ludicrous logical jump.

The Marty years were a mirage, go back and watch the games -- many of them KC had no business winning were never in the game and pulled out a miracle KO/Punt return, etc. Pffft...it's a waste of time to argue about Marty.

He's a proven loser. Just leave him be.

Given the track record, I would have zero faith Clark would bring in anyone greater than Pioli/Steadman.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

Weak sauce...it's not an either/or option and silly to make such a ludicrous logical jump.

The Marty years were a mirage, go back and watch the games -- many of them KC had no business winning were never in the game and pulled out a miracle KO/Punt return, etc. Pffft...it's a waste of time to argue about Marty.

He's a proven loser. Just leave him be.

All I'm saying is that they players respected him and played hard under him. It's obvious that they aren't doing that now.

I don't like the nepotism that Marty seems to demand at this stage of his career and that would definitely worry me. But Marty did get clubs to compete quickly when they were floundering before his arrival.

Personally, I'm all for burning this sucker right to the ground and getting a fresh start. After we go 1-15.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

All I'm saying is that they players respected him and played hard under him. It's obvious that they aren't doing that now.

I don't like the nepotism that Marty seems to demand at this stage of his career and that would definitely worry me. But Marty did get clubs to compete quickly when they were floundering before his arrival.

Personally, I'm all for burning this sucker right to the ground and getting a fresh start. After we go 1-15.

8-8 isn't the goal.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

8-8 isn't the goal.

No, it is not.

But the Giants reached the "goal" with a 9-7 record going into the playoffs last season.

You gotta get there to give yourself a chance.

[el borracho]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

Weak sauce...it's not an either/or option and silly to make such a ludicrous logical jump.

The Marty years were a mirage, go back and watch the games -- many of them KC had no business winning were never in the game and pulled out a miracle KO/Punt return, etc. Pffft...it's a waste of time to argue about Marty.

He's a proven loser. Just leave him be.

Marty did poorly in the playoffs, that is true. And one can argue all day long whether that was his fault or circumstance. But... Marty is not a "loser." IIRC, Marty had one of the best winning percentages of active coaches while he was here and that figure probably improved in San Diego.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by el borracho

Marty did poorly in the playoffs, that is true. And one can argue all day long whether that was his fault or circumstance. But... Marty is not a "loser." IIRC, Marty had one of the best winning percentages of active coaches while he was here and that figure probably improved in San Diego.

Marty is considered to be one of the best fundamentals/technical coaches to ever coached the game. His teams play with perfect technique and an unbelievable amount of discipline.

It's just too bad he just can't win in the playoffs. But if you blend Marty's coaching with someone else calling the shots, that would be one hell of a thing.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Marty is considered to be one of the best fundamentals/technical coaches to ever coached the game.

By whom?

If he was so great, why hasn't he been hired by an NFL in ANY capacity since being fired in San Diego?