Chiefs Post Pioli, are we looking at a full rebuild? - Page 8

qabbaan · 10-05-2012, 04:24 PM

Let's be optimistic and imagine for a moment that the end of this season brings the axe, and Pioli, Crennel, Cassel, and most of the team's major problems are swept out as Clark Hunt proves he is not an absentee owner and does in fact care about winning.

Are we looking at a near total rebuild, at this point?

This would be a team with no GM, no coaching staff worth retaining, and no quarterback. Most of Pioli's draft choices have melted away like cotton candy. If we had a window when we snuck into that Wild Card game, it seems to have closed. But the Chiefs are the 8th youngest team in the league with an average age of 25.8

Would we find a new GM attempting to retain talent like Bowe, Dorsey, Johnson, etc?

Or are we in "blow it up except for Houston, Hali, and a few select parts" territory?

Do the fans have the stomach for another rebuild?

milkman · 10-05-2012, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

On paper, this roster looks pretty good.

Too bad games aren't played on paper.

I think there are a couple of spots that definitely need to be upgraded.

Dorsey, as reliable as he is a a run defender is an absolute liability as a pass rusher.

Same can be said for Tyson Jackson.

I also believe that Kendrick Lewis would be outstanding depth at safety, but could easily be upgraded as a starter.

But I also believe firmly that the major issue on defense lies with Romeo Crennel.

His soft ass bend but don't break philosophy in a league that has adopted rules that already allow passing games to move almost at will is a recipe for total and utter failure.

Every damn time he decides to eschew that soft shit and attack, this defense rises up and dominates.

This team needs an enema at the top, but only needs a good wipe on the field.

ArrowheadMagic · 10-05-2012, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I think there are a couple of spots that definitely need to be upgraded.

Dorsey, as reliable as he is a a run defender is an absolute liability as a pass rusher.

Same can be said for Tyson Jackson.

I also believe that Kendrick Lewis would be outstanding depth at safety, but could easily be upgraded as a starter.

But I also believe firmly that the major issue on defense lies with Romeo Crennel.

His soft ass bend but don't break philosophy in a league that has adopted rules that already allow passing games to move almost at will is a recipe for total and utter failure.

Every damn time he decides to eschew that soft shit and attack, this defense rises up and dominates.

This team needs an enema at the top, but only needs a good wipe on the field.

agree. its OTW , he's here to flame the fire when there's no wind.

milkman · 10-05-2012, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic

agree. its OTW , he's here to flame the fire when there's no wind.

I don't believe he's flaming any fire or whatever.

I know he believes firmly in the things he is saying.

mcaj22 · 10-05-2012, 07:47 PM

there are plenty of spots that would be upgraded with a new coach/defensive scheme

first it would be a whole new d-line rebuild, because Pioli has failed miserably at that for the amount of time and money and players and picks hes invested in it.

we would need more ****ing pass rushers.

you would see the end of guys like Belcher and Javier Arenas.

Eric Berry would probably go back to a real position and not same fake bullshit Romeo makes up to put him in.

Fishpicker · 10-05-2012, 07:51 PM

I think one of the biggest problems this team has is that we aren't getting the results that we should see from the amount of talent we have. There's no way that the D is playing as best it can. A lot of those guys are phoning it in. The Offense seems to have the same problem early on in games. I think if we draft a truly franchise worthy QB, the want to problem will disappear. I think this entire team has been demoralized by the Cassel experience and the FO's inability to recognize what a failure it has been.

So no, we dont need a rebuild for player personnel, we need a change of outlook that can only be brought on by a new GM, head coach, a full staff of coordinators, position coaches, and assistants. Once we have all of that, then we can go out and draft the God blessed quarterback we need. If we make the right choice, the players we retain will kick it into high gear because they will want to.

FAX · 10-05-2012, 07:52 PM

I don't think we're garbage or a team of role players.

I do, however, believe that it's entirely possible Dorsey and Jackson are told not to bother with rushing the passer. It's the only rational explanation why they do absolutely nothing in that category. I mean, once in awhile even a blind hog can get to and devour a passer.

FAX

ArrowheadMagic · 10-05-2012, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I don't believe he's flaming any fire or whatever.

I know he believes firmly in the things he is saying.

Regardless he is shit stirring. Its a roster with a quality QB that competes for the SB. Every roster can use an upgrade until you get the QB. Fact is. We have at least 7 guys that start on a SB winning team and the rest of the starters contribute to winning said bowl. Outside of QB. What franchise QB cant win a SB with this roster? Because a couple of them wont with their current rosters.

FAX · 10-05-2012, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fishpicker

I think one of the biggest problems this team has is that we aren't getting the results that we should see from the amount of talent we have. There's no way that the D is playing as best it can. A lot of those guys are phoning it in. The Offense seems to have the same problem early on in games. I think if we draft a truly franchise worthy QB, the want to problem will disappear. I think this entire team has been demoralized by the Cassel experience and the FO's inability to recognize what a failure it has been.

So no, we dont need a rebuild for player personnel, we need a change of outlook that can only be brought on by a new GM, head coach, a full staff of coordinators, position coaches, and assistants. Once we have all of that, then we can go out and draft the God blessed quarterback we need. If we make the right choice, the players we retain will kick it into high gear because they will want to.

Salma Hayek's yep panties just came off.

FAX

FAX · 10-05-2012, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I don't believe he's flaming any fire or whatever.

I know he believes firmly in the things he is saying.

No ... he's gone nuts.

It was bound to happen eventually.

FAX

Fishpicker · 10-05-2012, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Salma Hayek's yep panties just came off.

FAX

I don't get the reference.

FAX · 10-05-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fishpicker

I don't get the reference.

Few people ever do, Mr. Fishpicker.

Few people ever do ...

FAX

qabbaan · 10-05-2012, 08:00 PM

I don't see the measure as the winning of a crappy division or a wild card appearance.

I also don't see a good QB appearing magically on our roster next year...

I know the premise of the thread is Pioli being canned, but even if we go 4-12, the chances of that only seem (just guessing) 50/50.

I don't think it's a sure thing at all that change will occur if there's just a bad season record.

durtyrute · 10-05-2012, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by qabbaan

I don't see the measure as the winning of a crappy division or a wild card appearance.

I also don't see a good QB appearing magically on our roster next year...

I know the premise of the thread is Pioli being canned, but even if we go 4-12, the chances of that only seem (just guessing) 50/50.

I don't think it's a sure thing at all that change will occur if there's just a bad season record.

It's not a sure thing, just a bunch of guys wishing.

DaWolf · 10-05-2012, 08:10 PM

I think we have a San Francisco situation here. You replace Crennel and staff with someone of the caliber of Harbaugh and his staff, this team could win with a few upgrades. You've got to put your players in a position to succeed, and we haven't been doing that. This team is just disorganized, unprepared, and un-physical...

beach tribe · 10-05-2012, 08:14 PM

I believe we have a TON of talent, and If Crennel would have stuck to being the DC, we had a decent HC, and QB it would be a lot more evident.
Crennel simply cannot do both. We are going to see huge strides by the D the second half of this season though. (not that the HCing will improve at all) Which is not exactly a good thing, because winning games will not benefit this team.

10-05-2012, 04:24 PM
qabbaan Veteran Join Date: Jan 2012 Casino cash: $10004900	Post Pioli, are we looking at a full rebuild? Let's be optimistic and imagine for a moment that the end of this season brings the axe, and Pioli, Crennel, Cassel, and most of the team's major problems are swept out as Clark Hunt proves he is not an absentee owner and does in fact care about winning. Are we looking at a near total rebuild, at this point? This would be a team with no GM, no coaching staff worth retaining, and no quarterback. Most of Pioli's draft choices have melted away like cotton candy. If we had a window when we snuck into that Wild Card game, it seems to have closed. But the Chiefs are the 8th youngest team in the league with an average age of 25.8 Would we find a new GM attempting to retain talent like Bowe, Dorsey, Johnson, etc? Or are we in "blow it up except for Houston, Hali, and a few select parts" territory? Do the fans have the stomach for another rebuild?
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10-05-2012, 07:47 PM	#109
mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	there are plenty of spots that would be upgraded with a new coach/defensive scheme first it would be a whole new d-line rebuild, because Pioli has failed miserably at that for the amount of time and money and players and picks hes invested in it. we would need more ****ing pass rushers. you would see the end of guys like Belcher and Javier Arenas. Eric Berry would probably go back to a real position and not same fake bullshit Romeo makes up to put him in.
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10-05-2012, 07:51 PM	#110
Fishpicker On one quarter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: I play all day Casino cash: $527111	I think one of the biggest problems this team has is that we aren't getting the results that we should see from the amount of talent we have. There's no way that the D is playing as best it can. A lot of those guys are phoning it in. The Offense seems to have the same problem early on in games. I think if we draft a truly franchise worthy QB, the want to problem will disappear. I think this entire team has been demoralized by the Cassel experience and the FO's inability to recognize what a failure it has been. So no, we dont need a rebuild for player personnel, we need a change of outlook that can only be brought on by a new GM, head coach, a full staff of coordinators, position coaches, and assistants. Once we have all of that, then we can go out and draft the God blessed quarterback we need. If we make the right choice, the players we retain will kick it into high gear because they will want to. __________________ A person who has been [ideologically] demoralized cannot assess true information. the [demoralization] process is complete and irreversible. -Yuri Bezmenov on Soviet Subversion
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10-05-2012, 07:52 PM	#111
FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	I don't think we're garbage or a team of role players. I do, however, believe that it's entirely possible Dorsey and Jackson are told not to bother with rushing the passer. It's the only rational explanation why they do absolutely nothing in that category. I mean, once in awhile even a blind hog can get to and devour a passer. FAX
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10-05-2012, 08:00 PM	#117
qabbaan Veteran Join Date: Jan 2012 Casino cash: $10004900	I don't see the measure as the winning of a crappy division or a wild card appearance. I also don't see a good QB appearing magically on our roster next year... I know the premise of the thread is Pioli being canned, but even if we go 4-12, the chances of that only seem (just guessing) 50/50. I don't think it's a sure thing at all that change will occur if there's just a bad season record.
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10-05-2012, 08:10 PM	#119
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	I think we have a San Francisco situation here. You replace Crennel and staff with someone of the caliber of Harbaugh and his staff, this team could win with a few upgrades. You've got to put your players in a position to succeed, and we haven't been doing that. This team is just disorganized, unprepared, and un-physical...
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10-05-2012, 08:14 PM	#120
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $3908036	I believe we have a TON of talent, and If Crennel would have stuck to being the DC, we had a decent HC, and QB it would be a lot more evident. Crennel simply cannot do both. We are going to see huge strides by the D the second half of this season though. (not that the HCing will improve at all) Which is not exactly a good thing, because winning games will not benefit this team.
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