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Old 12-11-2012, 10:06 AM  
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2013 QB Class
This was posted in another thread by Milkman, but it got overlooked so I'm making a thread out of it.

I know, another QB thread. But this needs to be put out there for some of the "posters" here to see and think about.

The top three in this years class are in no particular order:

Geno Smith
Tyler Wilson
Matt Barkley

Thats not counting Bray, Glennon, Nassib, etc. Who are all talented in their own right.

So, many posters here want to say, "no not this year, this class is awful don't take one, there isn't a Luck or RGIII in the bunch", which isn't necessarily false.

No there isn't a once in a decade guy. Which is probably what Luck was. Hell even more there have been 2 guys of his stature come out in the last 20 or so years. Luck and Manning.

Yet there are franchise QB's all over the league. How is that so you may ask?

Lets take a look at the last 5 QB classes top 3 guys to come out and get drafted, taking out 2012's class.

2007
Jamarcus Russel
Brady Quinn
Kevin Kolb

2008
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
Brian Brohm

2009
Matt Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman

2010
Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
Jimmy Clausen

2011
Cam Newton
Blaine Gabbert
Jake Locker

Look at those classes and no, you have to evaluate them at the time they were picked, not what they are now, we don't know what this years class will be in the NFL.

I'd argue that this years class is more loaded than any of those classes at the top and from top to bottom.

So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:28 AM   #16
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**** draft value. draft geno smif with our first pick. take a project qb in the 3rd round.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:29 AM   #17
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IF i'm picking in the top 3, the absolute ONLY positions I'm taking are LT, QB, or pass rusher. They are about the only guys who impact the game enough to be taken that high.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:29 AM   #18
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too risky

better to take a LB and draft whatever QB is leftover...that is safe, and safe is priority #1
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:31 AM   #19
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I don't think there are many people saying don't take one. People are talking about how good they actually are, draft value, can you move back and still get one, how far is the drop off from a Barkley to a Nassib/Dysert/Jones, etc.

Just because someone isn't sold that Geno Smith has the pocket presence of Luck and just as good of an arm and accuracy as RGIII (claims made by some on this board) doesn't mean people don't want to take a QB.
And thats fine.


But, last year was an absolute anomaly in terms of QBs at the top.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:31 AM   #20
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too risky

better to take a LB and draft whatever QB is leftover...that is safe, and safe is priority #1
Yep. Cap hell, losing draft value, and setting the franchise back are terrible things. TERRRRRIBLE things.

Do you want to be the Raiders? No? Then draft a 5-tech and be damn grateful we're even considering a Ricky Stanzi in the 2nd round.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:32 AM   #21
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ANDREW LUCK IS TEH GRATEST QB TO DO ANY QB THINGS EVAR NOW AND FOREVAR MOAR AMEN!!!
Lets see how many teams are willing to give up 3+ first round picks for Smith.
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IF i'm picking in the top 3, the absolute ONLY positions I'm taking are LT, QB, or pass rusher. They are about the only guys who impact the game enough to be taken that high.
Are you Shawn Salisbury?

I heard this exact same take on 810 about a week ago.

Having said that, I 100% fully agree.
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Does somebody want to take the bait on this?

Andrew Luck is the best overall QB to enter the draft in a long, long time.

Is he the best QB to enter the draft to be the best at every aspect of playing the position in a long, long, time? In other words, is it possible that there's a QB who is better than him at a particular part of the position other than athletic ability?

That's what I can't get over. Luck is great because he has no glaring flaws. He's not great because he's the greatest at EVERYTHING. He's not.
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Lets see how many teams are willing to give up 3+ first round picks for Smith.
Stick to the topic at hand, please.
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For anybody of the mindset of "Well just grab the best QB with that 1st pick in round 2"

I think the recent history suggest what a big difference there is between the 1st QB projected vs the 3rd best guy which is what you'll get if you wait until round 2.
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i'm trying to figure out why we can't draft a QB because Luck was drafted last year...or how it has any bearing at all on anything for any other team in the nfl ever...

oh wait....'value'....aka 'it risky, oh noes'
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Draft Value, with the new CBA, is basically out the window.


You essentially are paying a top 5 pick now, what you payed what a late first early second rounder previously?
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i'm trying to figure out why we can't draft a QB because Luck was drafted last year...or how it has any bearing at all on anything for any other team in the nfl ever...

oh wait....'value'....aka 'it risky, oh noes'
Didn't you hear?

Andrew Luck is the end-all of QBs.

They're going to get rid of the position since Luck is the only one good enough to play it.
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