Chiefs 2013 QB Class - Page 8

O.city · 12-11-2012, 10:06 AM

This was posted in another thread by Milkman, but it got overlooked so I'm making a thread out of it.

I know, another QB thread. But this needs to be put out there for some of the "posters" here to see and think about.

The top three in this years class are in no particular order:

Geno Smith
Tyler Wilson
Matt Barkley

Thats not counting Bray, Glennon, Nassib, etc. Who are all talented in their own right.

So, many posters here want to say, "no not this year, this class is awful don't take one, there isn't a Luck or RGIII in the bunch", which isn't necessarily false.

No there isn't a once in a decade guy. Which is probably what Luck was. Hell even more there have been 2 guys of his stature come out in the last 20 or so years. Luck and Manning.

Yet there are franchise QB's all over the league. How is that so you may ask?

Lets take a look at the last 5 QB classes top 3 guys to come out and get drafted, taking out 2012's class.

2007
Jamarcus Russel
Brady Quinn
Kevin Kolb

2008
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
Brian Brohm

2009
Matt Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman

2010
Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
Jimmy Clausen

2011
Cam Newton
Blaine Gabbert
Jake Locker

Look at those classes and no, you have to evaluate them at the time they were picked, not what they are now, we don't know what this years class will be in the NFL.

I'd argue that this years class is more loaded than any of those classes at the top and from top to bottom.

So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB.

**wazu** · 12-11-2012, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Reading SaveOurChiefs facebook page makes me want to go on a jihad. People are so ****ing stupid.

Only thing worse is listening to KC talk radio. Callers and hosts very rarely even mention Geno as a possiblity. If a player is named it's almost always Barkley, and most often people are saying Teo. A substantial population calling for Alex. ****ing. Smith. Really. And an increasing number of mentions of Flacco. Today Bob Fescoe talked for like 30 minutes about whether or not the Chiefs should try to orchestrate a trade for Kirk Cousins.

Just kill me now.

ROYC75 · 12-11-2012, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

So Petro spent the last half hour talking about bringing in Joe Flacco.

He said flat out that he thought Joe Flacco was pretty meh (a "Brad Johnson" type is the comparison he made) but thought it was the best move the Chiefs could make.

He doesn't think Smith or Barkley are worth 1st-pick money - I wonder if he even considered the new CBA.

UH, NO!

Smith & /or Wilson is / will be better than Flacco.

Barkley ..... no comment.

King_Chief_Fan · 12-11-2012, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

If the Chiefs don't draft Geno, I hope he turns into Rodgers. This fanbase needs that thrown in it's face.

The Chiefs don't deserve a franchise qb.

If the Chiefs don't draft him I hope he turns into Jamarus Russel. Then we won't feel so bad

philfree · 12-11-2012, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

If the Chiefs don't draft Geno, I hope he turns into Rodgers. This fanbase needs that thrown in it's face.

The Chiefs don't deserve a franchise qb.

The fans don't do the drafting so I don't get this kind of statement.

htismaqe · 12-11-2012, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

I think every fan wants a better QB

Just because they aren't QB or bust, you get pissed.

even then, the number of those fans is so small.

Fan on Fan crime is the leading offense in Chiefs Nation

I think we should get a big group of guys and walk Arrowhead. Anyone found to be actually cheering the team should be deemed an enemy of the state and beaten until they bleed. Power to the PEOPLE!!!!

It IS QB or bust.

If you don't take a QB, who are you going to take?

For all the talk about the QBs in this draft not being worth a #1 overall pick, who else is?

The answer is NOBODY. This is a deep draft but there isn't much, if any, blue chip talent at the high-value positions.

kcbubb · 12-11-2012, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75

UH, NO!

Smith & /or Wilson is / will be better than Flacco.

Barkley ..... no comment.

Tyler Wilson is the next Brian Brohm. Petrino coached QB's often look better in college than they do on Sundays. We should definitely take a QB high, but I really don't know which one. I just know it doesn't need to be Wilson.

Brock · 12-11-2012, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

I think every fan wants a better QB

Just because they aren't QB or bust, you get pissed.

even then, the number of those fans is so small.

Fan on Fan crime is the leading offense in Chiefs Nation

I think we should get a big group of guys and walk Arrowhead. Anyone found to be actually cheering the team should be deemed an enemy of the state and beaten until they bleed. Power to the PEOPLE!!!!

Bump · 12-11-2012, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

If the Chiefs don't draft him I hope he turns into Jamarus Russel. Then we won't feel so bad

no, because than everybody will be even more scared to draft a QB and it will never ever happen.

The Chiefs fans are like the 40-yr old virgin with drafting a first round QB. They wanted it when they were younger, they wanted it bad and fantasized about it all the time, then months go by without it and months become years and then all of the sudden you are 40 and it just never happened. You're used to the way things are and have been and scared of change. So your desire goes away completely and then turns into fear.

O.city · 12-11-2012, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

I think every fan wants a better QB

Just because they aren't QB or bust, you get pissed.

even then, the number of those fans is so small.

Fan on Fan crime is the leading offense in Chiefs Nation

I think we should get a big group of guys and walk Arrowhead. Anyone found to be actually cheering the team should be deemed an enemy of the state and beaten until they bleed. Power to the PEOPLE!!!!

The number of those fans are small? Thats most of Chiefs nation.

They just want the next retread who can win a few games and maybe get us to 9 wins.

Arrowhead Experience!!!! Catch the fever.

O.city · 12-11-2012, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philfree

The fans don't do the drafting so I don't get this kind of statement.

The fans don't do the drafting, thats correct.

But the fans do the "show up in masses for years while we continually do the same thing that doesn't work".

It's taken the fanbase this long to make noise that we aren't happy.

O.city · 12-11-2012, 03:47 PM

Guarantee if this were last year and we were in this position, the general fan would find fault with Luck.

We would have been scared shitless about his "lack of armstrength" or some BS.

This is the same group that didn't want Matt Stafford or Matt Ryan.

Mr. Laz · 12-11-2012, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

The number of those fans are small? Thats most of Chiefs nation.

They just want the next retread who can win a few games and maybe get us to 9 wins.

Arrowhead Experience!!!! Catch the fever.

I disagree

I would say that there are large % of Chiefs' fans that aren't extreme like yourself but 99.9999 of them want a franchise QB.

Your Tea Party-esque stance on the issue is more about you then them.

**Baby Lee** · 12-11-2012, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by suds79

For anybody of the mindset of "Well just grab the best QB with that 1st pick in round 2"

I think the recent history suggest what a big difference there is between the 1st QB projected vs the 3rd best guy which is what you'll get if you wait until the 3rd pick in the draft

/CP

O.city · 12-11-2012, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

I disagree

I would say that there are large % of Chiefs' fans that aren't extreme like yourself but 99.9999 of them want a franchise QB.

Your Tea Party-esque stance on the issue is more about you then them.

Ok, I'm not necessarily arguing that they don't want one.

It's how they think we need to get one that they are all ****ed up about.

Mr. Laz · 12-11-2012, 03:58 PM

If you combine last and this year's QB class you would find that the best of this year's class would be fighting to be the 3,4 or 5th ranked QB. Most of the draftubators didn't want Tannehill even at #12 and this year he would be challenging for the top QB spot.

*** And that's not even counting Russell Wilson who's real NFL production should put him #3

1. Luck
2. RGIII
3. Geno Smith
4. Tannehill
5. Weeden
6. Tyler Wilson
7. Barkley
8. Bray
9. Osweiler
10. Russell Wilson ***

I have already said that the Chiefs don't have much of a choice. They take Geno Smith or Tyler Wilson and HOPE that they live up to their potential.

Doesn't mean i can't understand people's doubt about the QB position this year though.

12-11-2012, 10:06 AM
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-725936	2013 QB Class This was posted in another thread by Milkman, but it got overlooked so I'm making a thread out of it. I know, another QB thread. But this needs to be put out there for some of the "posters" here to see and think about. The top three in this years class are in no particular order: Geno Smith Tyler Wilson Matt Barkley Thats not counting Bray, Glennon, Nassib, etc. Who are all talented in their own right. So, many posters here want to say, "no not this year, this class is awful don't take one, there isn't a Luck or RGIII in the bunch", which isn't necessarily false. No there isn't a once in a decade guy. Which is probably what Luck was. Hell even more there have been 2 guys of his stature come out in the last 20 or so years. Luck and Manning. Yet there are franchise QB's all over the league. How is that so you may ask? Lets take a look at the last 5 QB classes top 3 guys to come out and get drafted, taking out 2012's class. 2007 Jamarcus Russel Brady Quinn Kevin Kolb 2008 Matt Ryan Joe Flacco Brian Brohm 2009 Matt Stafford Mark Sanchez Josh Freeman 2010 Sam Bradford Tim Tebow Jimmy Clausen 2011 Cam Newton Blaine Gabbert Jake Locker Look at those classes and no, you have to evaluate them at the time they were picked, not what they are now, we don't know what this years class will be in the NFL. I'd argue that this years class is more loaded than any of those classes at the top and from top to bottom. So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB.
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12-11-2012, 03:47 PM	#116
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-725936	Guarantee if this were last year and we were in this position, the general fan would find fault with Luck. We would have been scared shitless about his "lack of armstrength" or some BS. This is the same group that didn't want Matt Stafford or Matt Ryan.
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Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	If you combine last and this year's QB class you would find that the best of this year's class would be fighting to be the 3,4 or 5th ranked QB. Most of the draftubators didn't want Tannehill even at #12 and this year he would be challenging for the top QB spot. * And that's not even counting Russell Wilson who's real NFL production should put him #3 1. Luck 2. RGIII 3. Geno Smith 4. Tannehill 5. Weeden 6. Tyler Wilson 7. Barkley 8. Bray 9. Osweiler 10. Russell Wilson * I have already said that the Chiefs don't have much of a choice. They take Geno Smith or Tyler Wilson and HOPE that they live up to their potential. Doesn't mean i can't understand people's doubt about the QB position this year though. __________________
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