Chiefs 2013 QB Class - Page 25

O.city · 12-11-2012, 10:06 AM

This was posted in another thread by Milkman, but it got overlooked so I'm making a thread out of it.

I know, another QB thread. But this needs to be put out there for some of the "posters" here to see and think about.

The top three in this years class are in no particular order:

Geno Smith
Tyler Wilson
Matt Barkley

Thats not counting Bray, Glennon, Nassib, etc. Who are all talented in their own right.

So, many posters here want to say, "no not this year, this class is awful don't take one, there isn't a Luck or RGIII in the bunch", which isn't necessarily false.

No there isn't a once in a decade guy. Which is probably what Luck was. Hell even more there have been 2 guys of his stature come out in the last 20 or so years. Luck and Manning.

Yet there are franchise QB's all over the league. How is that so you may ask?

Lets take a look at the last 5 QB classes top 3 guys to come out and get drafted, taking out 2012's class.

2007
Jamarcus Russel
Brady Quinn
Kevin Kolb

2008
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
Brian Brohm

2009
Matt Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman

2010
Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
Jimmy Clausen

2011
Cam Newton
Blaine Gabbert
Jake Locker

Look at those classes and no, you have to evaluate them at the time they were picked, not what they are now, we don't know what this years class will be in the NFL.

I'd argue that this years class is more loaded than any of those classes at the top and from top to bottom.

So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB.

**007** · 12-12-2012, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Another mult came out of the woodwork to pimp this as well. It's good to see L.A. Chiefsfan find something to troll about. He was getting boring being a normal Cassel hater.

Maybe we should join in this time.

Flynn really sounds like a great option. Let's trade our first for him. No thats value.

AussieChiefsFan · 12-12-2012, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru

Maybe we should join in this time.

Flynn really sounds like a great option. Let's trade our first for him. No thats value.

This x99999999999

htismaqe · 12-12-2012, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

I do know that this draft has depth at the QB position. I don't believe that their is elite level talent at the top. I don't necessarily think we should overdraft for need in a position group that has depth.

Fine, then who are you drafting #1 overall.

Name the player and the explain how they help this team more than a QB.

Make your case or shut up about it.

htismaqe · 12-12-2012, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75

I'm not sure there is value at CB under the 15th pick, is there ?

IMHO, not an exceptional year for CB's.

It isn't a great CB class.

But Dee Milliner from Bama is a top 15 prospect.

Xavier Rhodes and John Banks are probably just outside the top 15.

Deberg_1990 · 12-12-2012, 07:48 AM

Draft me sum 'Teo...shore up that D, bring on the tailgate parties.........Yee Haw!

**007** · 12-12-2012, 07:56 AM

Just say NO to Teo.

htismaqe · 12-12-2012, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

BPA is not on our side either.

Luke Joekel? We don't need a LT. We have a good one and a good backup at that. Correct, no need. Plus Joekel isn't GREAT, not a top 3 pick, he's more like a 6-8 guy.

Manti Te'o? Nowhere near worth the first pick. I'd pick him in the 6-10 range if QB wasn't a need. Even 6-10 is too high. ILB just doesn't have that much value. He's an ILB, impact limited.

Jarvis Jones? Why we have Tamba and Houston who are both 10+ sack guys. Only guy on this list worth a top 3 pick and we have absolutely no use for him. Especially when we have a meteorite crater at QB.

Star Letolreoijisfljw? If we draft this mother****er, we're all done. We need another DT like we need 4 more years of Scott Pioli. I spent years on here telling people that free agent DTs are a waste of money. Well, top 5 DTs are a waste of draft picks. Look at the successful DTs in this league, especially in the 3-4, and you won't find by maybe 1 or 2 that were drafted in the top 5. Same goes for 3-4 DE. They can be picked MUCH later.

It's QB or bust. And we get the top pick.

Damn the Senior Bowl is going to be so ****ing awesome next month. Tyler Wilson, Geno Smith, Mike Glennon and Matt Barkley should all be there.

QUOTED FOR TRUTH.

And I added some comments inline as well...

htismaqe · 12-12-2012, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Bleacher report is a bunch of amateur bloggers. That would be like me posting my top ten wide receivers and you citing as a source.

Actually, Matt Miller is pretty good. He knows football and watches A LOT of tape. He used to run his own scouting service (New Era Scouting). I think he's in the discussion with guys like Scott Wright when it comes to reliable, amateur scouting info on the Net.

Plus, Miller has a football background. He was the secondary and special teams coordinator for the three-time league champion Joplin Crusaders of the Central Football League.

htismaqe · 12-12-2012, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Manziel could make it a better class, but I doubt he will come out. He's 20 and he's barely 200 lbs, plus I doubt he wants to leave so soon.

Seeing him on the stage standing next to Klein was pretty funny. He looked like he was about 5'6".

Deberg_1990 · 12-12-2012, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

QUOTED FOR TRUTH.

And I added some comments inline as well...

I will say Jarvis Jones would be ok too. A team can never have too many pass rushers.

BUt we need a QB more.

RUSH · 12-12-2012, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

I will say Jarvis Jones would be ok too. A team can never have too many pass rushers.

BUt we need a QB more.

Jones has spinal stenosis. I'm expecting him to fall quite a bit once the teams go through medicals on these guys.

htismaqe · 12-12-2012, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

I will say Jarvis Jones would be ok too. A team can never have too many pass rushers.

BUt we need a QB more.

He's at least worth a top pick.

But we have zero need for him given what we have at QB.

htismaqe · 12-12-2012, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RUSH

Jones has spinal stenosis. I'm expecting him to fall quite a bit once the teams go through medicals on these guys.

This is true.

It's the same condition that cause Marcus McNeil to fall all the way to the 2nd round, so we'll see.

Deberg_1990 · 12-12-2012, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RUSH

Jones has spinal stenosis. I'm expecting him to fall quite a bit once the teams go through medicals on these guys.

Hmmm...interesting

htismaqe · 12-12-2012, 08:40 AM

And just to be clear, Jones has been playing with this all along, at a high level even.

The question isn't about his impact - he probably won't be limited in the short term.

It's a question of how long he will last in the NFL. McNeil wore out a lot faster than guys like him usually do.

12-11-2012, 10:06 AM
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-735936	2013 QB Class This was posted in another thread by Milkman, but it got overlooked so I'm making a thread out of it. I know, another QB thread. But this needs to be put out there for some of the "posters" here to see and think about. The top three in this years class are in no particular order: Geno Smith Tyler Wilson Matt Barkley Thats not counting Bray, Glennon, Nassib, etc. Who are all talented in their own right. So, many posters here want to say, "no not this year, this class is awful don't take one, there isn't a Luck or RGIII in the bunch", which isn't necessarily false. No there isn't a once in a decade guy. Which is probably what Luck was. Hell even more there have been 2 guys of his stature come out in the last 20 or so years. Luck and Manning. Yet there are franchise QB's all over the league. How is that so you may ask? Lets take a look at the last 5 QB classes top 3 guys to come out and get drafted, taking out 2012's class. 2007 Jamarcus Russel Brady Quinn Kevin Kolb 2008 Matt Ryan Joe Flacco Brian Brohm 2009 Matt Stafford Mark Sanchez Josh Freeman 2010 Sam Bradford Tim Tebow Jimmy Clausen 2011 Cam Newton Blaine Gabbert Jake Locker Look at those classes and no, you have to evaluate them at the time they were picked, not what they are now, we don't know what this years class will be in the NFL. I'd argue that this years class is more loaded than any of those classes at the top and from top to bottom. So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB.
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htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8099900	And just to be clear, Jones has been playing with this all along, at a high level even. The question isn't about his impact - he probably won't be limited in the short term. It's a question of how long he will last in the NFL. McNeil wore out a lot faster than guys like him usually do.
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