Teen girl kills herself after taunting from Internet trolls

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by FAX

Excellent point, Mr. BIG_DADDY. Back in my day, it wasn't real bullying until your junior high school enemies tried to take a hatchet to your mom. Those guys really knew their bullying. Forget about self-esteem, you were risking your life merely walking the streets or going to the store or attending class. Those were the days when real bullies roamed the hallways and byways.

They were almost as bad as the medieval bullies you read about who, if they could catch you, would put the Caltrop or Greek Fire to your ass.

FAX

I don't know about all that but kicking the crap out of someone would certainly qualify as real bullying to me. Words on the internet, not so much.

Any child who's self-esteem is that low is certainly a refection of their parents ability to raise them as well. Huge failure.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

I don't know about all that but kicking the crap out of someone would certainly qualify as real bullying to me. Words on the internet, not so much.

Any child who's self-esteem is that low is certainly a refection of their parents ability to raise them as well. Huge failure.

I don't disagree. It's pretty clear that parents can instill into a child the qualities that generally comprise self-esteem.

On the other hand, teen angst has always been around and depression is no respecter of status or intelligence or wealth or any of the things upon which most persons base their self-worth.

Having known several young persons who either committed suicide or self-destructed in other less dramatic ways simply due to an inability to function in normal society, I conclude that it's a very complex issue for which simple answers are hard to come by.

FAX

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by FAX

I don't disagree. It's pretty clear that parents can instill into a child the qualities that generally comprise self-esteem.

On the other hand, teen angst has always been around and depression is no respecter of status or intelligence or wealth or any of the things upon which most persons base their self-worth.

Having known several young persons who either committed suicide or self-destructed in other less dramatic ways simply due to an inability to function in normal society, I conclude that it's a very complex issue for which simple answers are hard to come by.

FAX

Yea well, there are a lot of really shitty parents out there. I agree that being rich, intelligent or having high social status has nothing to do with it. It's all about being a good parent and raising that child from a young age to have a solid boundaries and a good self-esteem. I can't tell you how many parents just work and let other people raise their kids. They don't even know them. How many of these cases do you see the parents say "I didn't even know they were upset"

[FAX]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Yea well, there are a lot of really shitty parents out there. I agree that being rich, intelligent or having high social status has nothing to do with it. It's all about being a good parent and raising that child from a young age to have a solid boundaries and a good self-esteem. I can't tell you how many parents just work and let other people raise their kids. They don't even know them. How many of these cases do you see the parents say "I didn't even know they were upset"

I need to percolate on that one, Mr. BIG_DADDY.

As I mentioned, I've known several young people who chose suicide over the alternatives available to them. I need to reflect on whether or not the people around them (including parents) indicated at the time that they knew about their emotional problems. At the moment, I don't have a clear memory of that.

FAX

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by FAX

I need to percolate on that one, Mr. BIG_DADDY.

As I mentioned, I've known several young people who chose suicide over the alternatives available to them. I need to reflect on whether or not the people around them (including parents) indicated at the time that they knew about their emotional problems. At the moment, I don't have a clear memory of that.

FAX

I am far from an expert on suicide but I seem to remember seeing this in articles written after bullying. The one thing I am aware of is the shitty parenting. IT never ceases to amaze me the emphasis so many parents have on making money and how little they have on building their child and really knowing them.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by FAX

I don't disagree. It's pretty clear that parents can instill into a child the qualities that generally comprise self-esteem.

On the other hand, teen angst has always been around and depression is no respecter of status or intelligence or wealth or any of the things upon which most persons base their self-worth.

Having known several young persons who either committed suicide or self-destructed in other less dramatic ways simply due to an inability to function in normal society, I conclude that it's a very complex issue for which simple answers are hard to come by.

FAX

I would say this is obvious but people make comments constantly that apparently makes this anything but obvious.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

I don't know about all that but kicking the crap out of someone would certainly qualify as real bullying to me. Words on the internet, not so much.

Any child who's self-esteem is that low is certainly a refection of their parents ability to raise them as well. Huge failure.

Verbal bullying is real. Many children suffer from low self esteem. Teen socialization has been dramatically altered by electronic communication. Welcome to 2012. Don't nap too long. It's almost 2013.

[Dayze]

[ShortRoundChief]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

I don't know about all that but kicking the crap out of someone would certainly qualify as real bullying to me. Words on the internet, not so much.

Any child who's self-esteem is that low is certainly a refection of their parents ability to raise them as well. Huge failure.

You're a man. You're going to view it like that. Think about what every young lady wants in high school vs what every young guy wants in a social setting.

A guy wants to be perceived as tough and women want the popularity etc.

Seems to me the most embarrassing times in high school are the ones that made me look weak (looking back now, not so much) because they hit what was important to me.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

You're a man. You're going to view it like that. Think about what every young lady wants in high school vs what every young guy wants in a social setting.

A guy wants to be perceived as tough and women want the popularity etc.

Seems to me the most embarrassing times in high school are the ones that made me look weak (looking back now, not so much) because they hit what was important to me.

Believe you me I get the whole social status dealio when it comes to women. Getting physically beat down on a regular basis still has to be worse IMO. THis still comes down to parenting either way. Boundaries, a healthy self-esteem and even learning how to deal with social dynamics are all things they can learn from parents who are actually active in their life.

[stevenidol]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Believe you me I get the whole social status dealio when it comes to women. Getting physically beat down on a regular basis still has to be worse IMO. THis still comes down to parenting either way. Boundaries, a healthy self-esteem and even learning how to deal with social dynamics are all things they can learn from parents who are actually active in their life.

Emotional abuse has far greater impact on human psyche than physical, especially at a young age when their coping mechanisms are not established.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by stevenidol

Emotional abuse has far greater impact on human psyche than physical, especially at a young age when their coping mechanisms are not established.

Once again establishing boundaries is a job the P's should have been working on. I am not saying it's not bullying, I just believe that adding the physical component make it worse. To say emotional abuse is far greater is ridiculous. It's not like physical abuse comes without the emotional bullying component. To imply that is ridiculous.