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Old 12-14-2012, 09:36 AM  
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Bills GM: 'Time is now' to trade up for a QB
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In what has become a weekly discussion of his franchise's quarterback situation, Bills GM Buddy Nix suggested Friday that he's keen on trading up to address the position in this year's draft.

"Let me say this: I think there's a time that in the era that you're in and the development of your team, there's a time when you can move up a round to take a quarterback," Nix said. "And I think the time's now for us ... We need a good, young quarterback, and we're going to do our best to get him." Nix has waffled a bit on the issue, but has essentially conceded that Ryan Fitzpatrick is not the solution.
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:06 PM   #121
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It never fails. Somebody interjects some reason into an argument involving drafting a QB and it turns into "You're scared to draft a QB". I personally am in favor of staying where they are and drafting a QB. But only an idiot doesn't acknowledge the possibility that none of these QBs are good enough to draft #1 overall, and the possibility that the next GM of this team would rather have a bunch of draft picks and what he thinks is as good a QB later.
Everybody here has already acknowledged the FACT that there might not be a QB good enough to draft #1 overall.

The problem is that there isn't any other player, at any other position, that's good enough to draft #1 overall either.

Unless you want a DT.

I've never suggested that YOU were too scared. I'm pretty sure I knew where you stand, even before you posted it in the above.

All I'm saying is that I've considered the possibility that you raised...

And I've dismissed it. There is no other suitable course of action.
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:08 PM   #122
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It never fails. Somebody interjects some reason into an argument involving drafting a QB and it turns into "You're scared to draft a QB". I personally am in favor of staying where they are and drafting a QB. But only an idiot doesn't acknowledge the possibility that none of these QBs are good enough to draft #1 overall, and the possibility that the next GM of this team would rather have a bunch of draft picks and what he thinks is as good a QB later.
I appreciate that you're seeing all sides to this debate.

I did the same awhile ago. I came to the conclusion that this team doesn't ****ing need all those extra picks. What we need is a GM who knows how to ****ing draft. If Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCluster, Jon Baldwin, Tony Moeaki, or even ****ing Gabe Miller were any good at all, absolutely nobody would think we have a lack of talent on this team. If you hit on 2 or more of your draft picks per year, you're doing an above average. We haven't had one of those drafts since 2008, and thanks to Pioli all of those players are leaving.

So you're right. We need the QB, and we should stay at #1 and draft that guy. What you're not considering when you're weighing the options is if we even need all those draft picks if we could just bring in a GM who acquires talent through the draft like a competent talent evaluator should.
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:10 PM   #123
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All I'm saying is that I've considered the possibility that you raised...

And I've dismissed it. There is no other suitable course of action.
It doesn't matter whether you've considered it and dismissed it. It exists.
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:11 PM   #124
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Everybody here has already acknowledged the FACT that there might not be a QB good enough to draft #1 overall.
You can't use the word FACT and "might" in the same sentence, because then its not a FACT.

I don't understand why Geno is so disrespected, but the talking heads all loved Tim Couch, David Carr, and Russell
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:12 PM   #125
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It doesn't matter whether you've considered it and dismissed it. It exists.
And I've acknowledged it exists.

So what's the problem again?
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:13 PM   #126
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You can't use the word FACT and "might" in the same sentence, because then its not a FACT.

I don't understand why Geno is so disrespected, but the talking heads all loved Tim Couch, David Carr, and Russell
Jeff George and Ryan Leaf too
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:14 PM   #128
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You can't use the word FACT and "might" in the same sentence, because then its not a FACT.
No, the possibility that none of the QBs in this draft are worth a #1 overall pick is a FACT. There might not be one.

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I don't understand why Geno is so disrespected, but the talking heads all loved Tim Couch, David Carr, and Russell
What experts are you talking about? Guys like Kiper LOVED Jamarcus Russell, thought he was one of the best prospects EVER. Kiper is one of the ones trying to tell everyone there's no elite QB in this draft.
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Has a team picking first overall ever willingly traded out of the pick when they needed a qb?
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Has a team picking first overall ever willingly traded out of the pick when they needed a qb?
San Diago and they too Brees in the 2nd
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Has a team picking first overall ever willingly traded out of the pick when they needed a qb?
The only trades I can remember that included the #1 overall pick involved QBs.
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San Diego didn't trade the pick. They took Eli Manning and then traded his rights to the Giants and took Phillip Rivers.
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No, the possibility that none of the QBs in this draft are worth a #1 overall pick is a FACT. There might not be one.



What experts are you talking about? Guys like Kiper LOVED Jamarcus Russell, thought he was one of the best prospects EVER. Kiper is one of the ones trying to tell everyone there's no elite QB in this draft.
Two sentences fixes the problems.

My point about Geno is just what you said. Russell is the best ever, but Geno isn't worth the pick. I don't trust them, or really care what they think.
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What experts are you talking about? Guys like Kiper LOVED Jamarcus Russell, thought he was one of the best prospects EVER. Kiper is one of the ones trying to tell everyone there's no elite QB in this draft.
Read his post again. He's saying he doesn't understand why a guy like Kiper thought Jamarcus Russell was phenomenal, but thinks Geno Smith isn't worth the high pick.
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San Diego didn't trade the pick. They took Eli Manning and then traded his rights to the Giants and took Phillip Rivers.
I'm talking about the 2001 draft when SD traded down from the 1st pick, which was Vick to take LT. Then they drafted Brees
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