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National Football PostBy Russ Lande | National Football Post – 4 hours ago



Trying to predict what players will be chosen by specific teams is nearly impossible before the All Star games, Combine and Pro Days, but below is the first mock draft of the new year. As always I try to match hat I am hearing about team's desires with what I believe are the best players available, so take a look and send me your thoughts.

1. Kansas City Chiefs: Manti Te’o, MLB, Notre Dame, Senior: No quarterback warrants being the first overall pick and after Jovan Belcher’s suicide the Chiefs have a strong need for another impact linebacker and Te’o can be that player.

2. Jacksonville Jaguars: Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State, Junior: While many may expect the Jaguars to reach for a quarterback to replace Blaine Gabbert, we believe that Tim Tebow will be that player. So the new general manager can focus on improving the Jaguars pass rush, which has struggled with consistency in recent seasons.

3. Oakland Raiders: Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M, Junior: With many needs the Raiders make the decision to draft Joeckel who is viewed as potentially one of the safer choices in the Draft. Joeckel could either upgrade the Raiders at left tackle and push Veldheer to the right side or could take over at right tackle while Veldheer stays on the left; either way the Raiders offensive line improves greatly.

4. Philadelphia Eagles: Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M, Junior: Without Jason Peters playing left tackle in 2012 the Eagles’ offensive line struggled all season. So drafting Matthews gives them insurance in case Peters struggles to return from injury and could be a big upgrade at right tackle if Peters is healthy and back at left tackle for the 2013 season.

5. Detroit Lions: Kenny Vaccaro, SAF, Texas, Senior: Louis Delmas is starting to get the “injury prone” label and the Lions do not have a top level safety to play next to him. While some may view Vaccaro as a reach, we believe he would be an immediate starter for the Lions and would upgrade their pass defense.

6. Cleveland Browns: Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama, Senior: The Browns have a ton of young offensive talent at the skill positions, but for them to blossom their offensive line needs to improve. Warmack would upgrade their interior offensive line play and improve their rushing attack immediately.

7. Arizona Cardinals: Mike Glennon, QB, N.C. State, Senior: Whomever the new head coach in Arizona ends up being, he likely will not want to count on Kolb, Skelton or Lindley for the future . So they draft the strong armed Glennon who reminds us a tremendous amount of Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan.

8. Buffalo Bills: Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan, Junior: With OG Andy Levitre an unrestricted free agent and no established right tackle on the roster; the Bills grab Lewan who could start at right tackle from day one.

9. New York Jets: Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia, Junior: While the Jets are likely to draft a quarterback to challenge Sanchez, they do not want to reach for one here. So they jump at the chance to add the explosive Jones who should upgrade their outside pass rush immediately.

10. Tennessee Titans: Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama, Junior: The Titans have a number of holes, but the chance to add a strong and physical cornerback with pro bowl potential makes too much sense for them to pass up.

11. San Diego Chargers: Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan, Senior: A better prospect coming out of school than Joe Staley, Fisher could take over at left tackle and help keep Philip Rivers upright for the rest of his career.

12. Miami Dolphins: Keenan Allen, WR, California, Junior: Quarterback Ryan Tannehill showed flashes that he can be the long term answer for the Dolphins, but he needs weapons. Allen is a big play receiver who can “take the top off the defense” to open everything up for their offense.

13. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Oday Aboushi, OT, Virginia, Senior: The Buccaneers right side of their offensive line struggled with consistency in 2012, which leads to their choice of Aboushi who is strong, physical and consistent. He should challenge to start at either right tackle or right guard as a rookie.

14. Carolina Panthers: Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah, Senior: Carolina has two quality defensive ends in Charles Johnson and Greg Hardy, but its interior defensive line continued to struggle in 2012. Lotulelei would be an impact player in the middle of its defensive line from day one, which would upgrade the Panthers’ defense.

15. New Orleans Saints: Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri, Junior: Sedric Ellis is an unrestricted free agent and the Saints need to upgrade their defense. Richardson would give them an explosive, penetrating defensive tackle that would regularly make impact plays behind the LOS.

16. St. Louis Rams: Jonathan Cooper, OG, North Carolina, Senior: Quarterback Sam Bradford was constantly under pressure in 2012 and Cooper is an athletic and powerful lineman with the talent to start at guard or center for the Rams.

17. Pittsburgh Steelers: Dion Jordan, OLB, Oregon, Senior: James Harrison was not the impact pass rusher in 2012 that he was earlier in his career and Lamarr Woodley struggled with injuries throughout 2012, so they add Jordan. Jordan could backup both in 2013 while adding explosiveness and speed to the Steelers pass rush.

18. Dallas Cowboys: Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State, Junior: Neither Jason Hatcher or Marcus Spears has become an elite defensive lineman and Hankins would add size and strength to the defensive end position in the Cowboys 34 scheme.

19. New York Giants: Ezekial Ansah, DE, BYU, Senior: Osi Umenyiora ‘s contract is up so he will likely not be back and Justin Tuck has recorded two straight up and down seasons. Ansah is raw, but similar to Jason Pierre Paul in terms of athleticism, competitiveness and potential.

20. Chicago Bears: Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma, Senior: To say the Bears offensive line has been a major weakness in recent seasons would be an under-statement. Johnson has only played offensive tackle for two seasons and with his height, long arms and athleticism his upside is outstanding.

21 P. Cincinnati Bengals: Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee, Junior: The Bengals hit big time on their selection of AJ Green and like the potential of Marvin jones, but the chance to grab Patterson, who reminds us a lot of Falcons’ receiver Roddy White, makes too much sense as he would be a great weapon opposite Green.

22 P. St. Louis Rams (From Washington): Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia, Senior: After upgrading their offensive line with their first first round pick, the Rams get the most explosive offensive weapon in the Draft for Bradford to throw to.

23 P. Baltimore Ravens: Alex Ogletree, LB, Georgia, Junior: With Ray Lewis coming off a major injury and entering his 18th season in 2013, the Ravens jump at chance to grab Ogletree who is the most explosive inside linebacker in the Draft.

24 P. Minnesota Vikings: Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama, Senior: Longtime stud defensive tackle Kevin Williams is 32, so the Vikings grab Williams who can be their third defensive tackle in 2013 and take over as starter when Williams is done.

25 P. Indianapolis Colts: Johnthan Banks, CB, Mississippi State, Senior: Ryan Grigson pulled off a great trade getting cornerback Vontae Davis and now he drafts Banks to shore up the other cornerback position.

26 P. Seattle Seahawks: Barrett Jones, C / OG, Alabama, Senior: Jones is not a top athlete, but he is a smart, aggressive and versatile lineman who could start at center, guard or even tackle for Seahawks in the future.

27 P. Green Bay Packers: Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame, Senior: Current tight end Jermichael Finley is not expected to return to team in 2013, so the Packers upgrade the position by drafting Eifert whose combination of size, athleticism and hands are tough to find.

28 P. San Francisco 49ers: Margus Hunt, DE, SMU, Senior: Since defensive end Justin Smith was injured, the 49ers defense has struggled greatly, so they need to find a young defensive lineman to groom as his replacement. Hunt is an incredible athlete with great length, explosiveness and strength who could turn into a star in a season or two.

29 P. Houston Texans: Eric Reid, SAF, LSU, Junior: The Texans have been expected to draft a receiver in the first round to play opposite Andre Johnson every year and never have, so I believe they will continue that trend and focus on a different position. Reid is an active safety with the toughness to be a force against the run and the range and coverage skills to help the Texans deep coverage.

30 P. New England Patriots: Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M, Junior: The Patriots pass rush still struggles to get consistent pressure, so they take a gamble on Moore who has the talent to become a dominating outside linebacker in their system and bring positional versatility to their defense, which Belichick gives enormous weight to.

31 P. Atlanta Falcons: Sam Montgomery, DE, LSU, Junior: John Abraham is not getting any younger, so the Falcons draft Montgomery to backup Abraham and Biermann in 2013 and take over for Abraham when he retires.

32 P. Denver Broncos: David Amerson, CB, N.C. State, Junior: Champ Bailey is nearing the end of a Hall of Fame Career, so Coach Fox adds Amerson who has the combination of size, strength, willingness to play physical and coverage skills to be a solid all-around cornerback.
No Geno in the first round. Not very realistic AT ALL, but....if you could get Geno in the second round--and it was guarenteed--who would you pick #1?
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Old 01-02-2013, 02:59 AM   #211
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You're overpimping Te'o. By a lot.

Is this your first NFL draft? Do you know what kind of players go at #1 overall?

They aren't dipshits who are "solid pass defenders and tacklers."

Patrick Willis was the last "sure thing" the ILB world has seen in the NFL draft. He was a physical marvel. And he didn't even go in the top 5.

You're acting like Te'o is Patrick Willis, and he's really not.

And even if he were, he's not a pass rusher. He doesn't have elite speed. He's a try-hard Tebow guy with the talent and smarts to play the position in the NFL. Nothing more than that. He'll probably be a good football player in the pros.

"Good football players" aren't what you're looking for at the top overall pick. You're looking for franchise leaders. Guys who will win games for your team. And for that you look to QBs.

If that's something you've already brought up, it's because the counterarguments you give are faulty, specious, and weak. You have yet to respond to our point about sacrificing QB value but not sacrificing ILB value
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Old 01-02-2013, 02:59 AM   #212
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NO WAY Glennon is first QB off the board. Crackpot mock draft.
Thread should have started and ended here.
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Chiefs
Bills
Jets
Cardinals

Hell maybe one or more of
Browns If Kelly or whoever doesn't care for Weeden
Jags if new GM doesn't want Tebow
Raiders
Chargers Some of these "precious" mocks have mentioned this

I don't see any way Wilson survives that. Especially with the new rookie scale. If the scal didn't exist the Jags and Browns would be off the list. Chargers as well.

You also only have sound logic if Bray and Wilson are on par, which they aren't. Yet another post where you mention how smart(or not dumb) you are. Shocking. I hope for your sake you don't have to keep telling yourself how smart you are in real life.
I think in terms of "we think" they need a QB and "we actually need a QB", some of those are mistaken or already overly crowded. Jets, Cardinals, I don't know. And just like that, you have the possibility of Wilson ending up in the second.

And I really think you are overemphasizing the Rookie Scale, just because you don't have to pay them as much, doesn't mean you should reach a little and shoot for the moon, you're wasting a pick if you do that and aren't completely sold on a guy.
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Old 01-02-2013, 03:01 AM   #214
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You're overpimping Te'o. By a lot.

Is this your first NFL draft? Do you know what kind of players go at #1 overall?

They aren't dipshits who are "solid pass defenders and tacklers."

Patrick Willis was the last "sure thing" the ILB world has seen in the NFL draft. He was a physical marvel. And he didn't even go in the top 5.

You're acting like Te'o is Patrick Willis, and he's really not.

And even if he were, he's not a pass rusher. He doesn't have elite speed. He's a try-hard Tebow guy with the talent and smarts to play the position in the NFL. Nothing more than that. He'll probably be a good football player in the pros.

"Good football players" aren't what you're looking for at the top overall pick. You're looking for franchise leaders. Guys who will win games for your team. And for that you look to QBs.

If that's something you've already brought up, it's because the counterarguments you give are faulty, specious, and weak. You have yet to respond to our point about sacrificing QB value but not sacrificing ILB value
I'm not even going to read this rebuttal, I'm stopping at the first line and replying with...........You might be right. I might have Te'o overvalued right now. I'll at least admit to that right now. You guys have yet to even ease back from the crushing weight of the Geno Opression you are trying to serve up here.

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Agreed

Edit: I read it a little and noticed you made an emphasis to point out "Franchise Leaders" who do you think ILB are? They are your defensive captains, your defensive leaders. When you hear people talk about the 49ers defense, you hear about Willis and Bowman. The Chiefs D? Johnson, Hali, and Houston. Denver? Dumervil and Miller, Ravens? Lewis, Reed, and Suggs. Green Bay? Matthews, Hawk, etc. So on and so forth.

And I guess a point that isn't going noticed here, is that I believe that there are intangibles in Te'o like leadership that you can't quite quantify, and although we have it with DJ, we'll have it in our next generation with Te'o here. Just using that to express another point I hadn't touched yet.
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What do I think you've been doing? I think you've been changing the variables within my argument to state your opinion against mine, after changing said variable. That is not allowed in my hypothetical argument, so try to stay on track if you want to disprove my idea or want to judge me on my choice in MY scenario, rather than create one for yourself for me to dice up and ridicule.
What you fail to understand is that no one gives a rats ass about YOUR hypothetical scenario because, frankly, it's ****ing stupid.
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I think you mean, why sacrifice ILB value when you don't have to sacrifice QB value, ****stick.
I thought we wouldn't know anything until the combine got here? What makes you so confident that we won't be sacrificing QB value?

QBs WILL BE ****ING GONE. I've already given you a list of teams, but you systematically pooh-poohed each one for some dumbshit reason in spite of the fact that this is a QB driven league. For example, you're telling me that Buffalo won't take a QB because Fitzpatrick got a Cassel contract and is actually pretty good???

Go **** yourself. You're presenting valid arguments, but not good arguments. There's a difference.

"The Chiefs should draft Te'o because if they don't the earth will explode" is a valid argument. It's not a good one, though, because the premise is stupid and nonsensical. That's exactly what you're giving me. You're saying the Chiefs should draft Te'o because:

-Te'o is head and shoulders above the other ILBs
-The QBs likely aren't good enough to warrant the pick
-Plenty of great franchise-caliber QBs like Wilson and Barkley will be available in the second round
-Te'o is a special kind of player that all great teams need in order to win games
-Fitzpatrick is pretty good and other shitty reasons why other teams won't draft QBs in the first round

All of these are stupid. They're wrong. And if they're not wrong, then they require proof from the combine, which you told me I needed to prove any of my arguments, but apparently you don't need to wait for the combine. All of YOUR hypotheticals are fine to use. Mine aren't, though.

How does my logic taste, pillowbitergot?
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You're overpimping him to the point of calling him a #1 pick. That's an atrocious statement, and if you refuse to give that up as a good course of action for KC, then you're not toning it down enough.

MLBs are NOT #1 overall picks.
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What you fail to understand is that no one gives a rats ass about YOUR hypothetical scenario because, frankly, it's ****ing stupid.
Then quit arguing with me sacrider. OH MY GOD GENIUS IDEA RIGHT? ERMAHGERD DRERFT GERNO

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I thought we wouldn't know anything until the combine got here? What makes you so confident that we won't be sacrificing QB value?

QBs WILL BE ****ING GONE. I've already given you a list of teams, but you systematically pooh-poohed each one for some dumbshit reason in spite of the fact that this is a QB driven league. For example, you're telling me that Buffalo won't take a QB because Fitzpatrick got a Cassel contract and is actually pretty good???

Go **** yourself. You're presenting valid arguments, but not good arguments. There's a difference.

"The Chiefs should draft Te'o because if they don't the earth will explode" is a valid argument. It's not a good one, though, because the premise is stupid and nonsensical. That's exactly what you're giving me. You're saying the Chiefs should draft Te'o because:

-Te'o is head and shoulders above the other ILBs
-The QBs likely aren't good enough to warrant the pick
-Plenty of great franchise-caliber QBs like Wilson and Barkley will be available in the second round
-Te'o is a special kind of player that all great teams need in order to win games
-Fitzpatrick is pretty good and other shitty reasons why other teams won't draft QBs in the first round

All of these are stupid. They're wrong. And if they're not wrong, then they require proof from the combine, which you told me I needed to prove any of my arguments, but apparently you don't need to wait for the combine. All of YOUR hypotheticals are fine to use. Mine aren't, though.

How does my logic taste, pillowbitergot?
Uh, you're forgetting the part where a lot of the talking heads and mock drafters are starting to remove many of the QB picks, based solely on the information I've used here to play devils advocate.

You seem to think if I had the choice, I'd take Te'o over all others. If you truly think that, you are quite the Dummypants

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You're overpimping him to the point of calling him a #1 pick. That's an atrocious statement, and if you refuse to give that up as a good course of action for KC, then you're not toning it down enough.

MLBs are NOT #1 overall picks.
You're right, only players like Jamarcus Russel can be #1 overall picks, you know, the last #1 pick from the AFC West. That one went over so well.
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ILB are luxury picks. We can't afford to buy a CTS-V right now because we still can't afford our goddamned section 8 housing rent.
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ILB are luxury picks. We can't afford to buy a CTS-V right now because we still can't afford our goddamned section 8 housing rent.
That depends on which generation CTS-V we choose, first gens are totally affordable.

PS I'm done trolling, my head actually asploded in this thread. Didn't think there were so many of you geno guys out there lol.
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This is about how I see it. Teo is the best player in the draft.
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That depends on which generation CTS-V we choose, first gens are totally affordable.

PS I'm done trolling, my head actually asploded in this thread. Didn't think there were so many of you geno guys out there lol.
Their minds are clogged worse than a Texaco gas station toilet due to the Chiefs not selecting a 1st rd QB since the 80's.
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Their minds are clogged worse than a Texaco gas station toilet due to the Chiefs not selecting a 1st rd QB since the 80's.
I don't really blame them, but at some point these guys need to stop holding their breathe! Its going to happen this year! (we hope) lol.
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I can't wait until the Senior bowl and combine.
alot of these guys I haven't had a chance to watch at all - specificaly Teo.

But I've watched Jarvis Jones, Murray (if he comes out), Geno, a little of Bray, Milliner, Barret Jones (not that we need a center in the 1st), Womack, Ogletree (who is some ways I'd rather have than Teo)

I would like to see Barkley, Glennon, more of Bray, more of Geno
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Old 01-02-2013, 08:19 AM   #225
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