Chiefs Reid Draft Record is Nothing to Get Excited About - Page 4

Shox · 01-04-2013, 10:20 PM

I recognize the Eagles have picked in the bottom third almost all the time, but if you look at this draft history there are really not very many standout names and few pro bowl players.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../phi/draft.htm

The first rounders are especially troubling. While several have been productive NFL players only one would really qualify as a stud. He loves to draft DT 4 in 12 years add in a couple of DE and 50% of the time the defensive front gets the first round pick.

2012 Fletcher Cox DT (TBD)
2011 Danny Watkins OL (TBD)
2010 Brandon Graham DE (TBD)
2009 Jeremy Maclin WR (???Maybe/Maybe not)
2008 no pick
2007 no pick
2006 Brodrick Bunkley DT (Hit)
2005 Mike Patterson DT (Hit)
2004 Shawn Andrews G (Hit)
2003 Jerome McDougle DE (Bust)
2002 Litto Sheppard DB (Hit)
2001 Freddie Mitchell WR (Bust)
2000 Cory Simon DT (Hit)
1999 McNabb (by far the cream of the crop)

Now I have to give Reid credit he seems to be able to get some big names in FA. I would say he overpays and many of the big name FA do not perform up to the level they should.

There is more to like than dislike with the Reid hire, but I remain very doubtful he will ever bring a SB championship to the Chiefs.

O.city · 01-04-2013, 10:52 PM

And I'm not saying you CAN"T get pillar guys outside of that. The top 5 players drafted are the absolute blue chip top notch guys.

O.city · 01-04-2013, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Shox

Patriots:
Mankins, Wilfolk, Ty Warren, Merriweather, Mayo, Seymour.

These look a little better than Andy's group.

Merriweather isn't with them anymore, Seymour was a top 6 pick, and Warren is a journey man.

Like I said, Mankins and Wilfork were great picks.

Deberg_1990 · 01-04-2013, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Shox

Patriots:
Mankins, Wilfolk, Ty Warren, Merriweather, Mayo, Seymour.

These look a little better than Andy's group.

Pats Luckiest 6th round draft pick of all time > McNabb

**DeezNutz** · 01-04-2013, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Shox

Patriots:
Mankins, Wilfolk, Ty Warren, Merriweather, Mayo, Seymour.

These look a little better than Andy's group.

I'd trade all of those players for a QB of McNabb's quality.

It's the ultimate ace card. You can't ****! You licked my balls. You have a small penis! You licked my balls. You're an asshole! You licked my balls.

McNabb is the tongue on the testicles. The QB Whisperer gave the finger to the fanbase, and he was right. He was ****ing right.

CaliforniaChief · 01-04-2013, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I'd trade all of those players for a QB of McNabb's quality.

It's the ultimate ace card. You can't ****! You licked my balls. You have a small penis! You licked my balls. You're an asshole! You licked my balls.

McNabb is the tongue on the testicles. The QB Whisperer gave the finger to the fanbase, and he was right. He was ****ing right.

O.city · 01-04-2013, 10:56 PM

How many of those Pats picks would you say are studs?

Shox · 01-04-2013, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

How many of those Pats picks would you say are studs?

Mankins, Seymour and Wilfolk without question.

Pin Head · 01-04-2013, 11:00 PM

Watch..Reid throws in a 7th for Matt Flynn.

**DeezNutz** · 01-04-2013, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Shox

Mankins, Seymour and Wilfolk without question.

And I'd rather have McNabb than any of these players every day of every ****ing week for the rest of time.

splatbass · 01-04-2013, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Shox

Ummm I acknowledged this fact. You should still have better quality than this. Compare it to the Patriots 1st rounders. Patriots >>>>>>> Eagles

If the point of the NFL was to win drafts you might have a point (but not really), but the point of the NFL is to win games. If you win games who gives a **** how your drafts turned out?

Messier · 01-04-2013, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Shox

So the Giants don't get cornerstone players in:
JPP, Aukumara (sp), Nicks, David Wilson,Kenny Phillips, Aaron Ross, Shockey, Will Allen

You're calling these players cornerstones? Wilson isn't the starting Rb, Ross isn't with the team and wasn't a full time starter. Amukumara, just had his first uninjured season. Why is he a cornerstone, yet the 1st rounders from the last three years for Reid are TBD?

Shox · 01-04-2013, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

If the point of the NFL was to win drafts you might have a point (but not really), but the point of the NFL is to win games. If you win games who gives a **** how your drafts turned out?

Agree, but you must have players to win. My point is Reid's trend is to go out any buy players on the FA market rather than build from great drafting.

I'm not sure Clark is going to open the checkbook like the Eagles did.

Shox · 01-04-2013, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier

You're calling these players cornerstones? Wilson isn't the starting Rb, Ross isn't with the team and wasn't a full time starter. Amukumara, just had his first uninjured season. Why is he a cornerstone, yet the 1st rounders from the last three years for Reid are TBD?

I will take those 3 over Andy's three any day.

FloridaMan88 · 01-04-2013, 11:07 PM

This is why John Dorsey's presence in KC will be important.

keg in kc · 01-04-2013, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Shox

Agree, but you must have players to win. My point is Reid's trend is to go out any buy players on the FA market rather than build from great drafting.

I'm not sure Clark is going to open the checkbook like the Eagles did.

Only the last two years.

For the 12 years prior to that, the Eagles lived and died with the draft, and constantly replaced guys with new picks as soon as they hit their 30s.

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Shox Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $10005765	Reid Draft Record is Nothing to Get Excited About I recognize the Eagles have picked in the bottom third almost all the time, but if you look at this draft history there are really not very many standout names and few pro bowl players. http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../phi/draft.htm The first rounders are especially troubling. While several have been productive NFL players only one would really qualify as a stud. He loves to draft DT 4 in 12 years add in a couple of DE and 50% of the time the defensive front gets the first round pick. 2012 Fletcher Cox DT (TBD) 2011 Danny Watkins OL (TBD) 2010 Brandon Graham DE (TBD) 2009 Jeremy Maclin WR (???Maybe/Maybe not) 2008 no pick 2007 no pick 2006 Brodrick Bunkley DT (Hit) 2005 Mike Patterson DT (Hit) 2004 Shawn Andrews G (Hit) 2003 Jerome McDougle DE (Bust) 2002 Litto Sheppard DB (Hit) 2001 Freddie Mitchell WR (Bust) 2000 Cory Simon DT (Hit) 1999 McNabb (by far the cream of the crop) Now I have to give Reid credit he seems to be able to get some big names in FA. I would say he overpays and many of the big name FA do not perform up to the level they should. There is more to like than dislike with the Reid hire, but I remain very doubtful he will ever bring a SB championship to the Chiefs.
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