Chiefs The QB Reid chooses to lead the Chiefs - Page 15

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 01-05-2013, 06:02 AM

Let's try this again. I will only be happy if Reid chooses...

Poll forthcoming.

htismaqe · 01-05-2013, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by slimdagreat

Yes and you can get a potential pro bowl MLB, LT or DT in the process you take that. Geno isn't RGIII like most people think.

This or trade for Kirk Cousins

Hold your breath until you pass out.

Brando · 01-05-2013, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I'll play devil's advocate here.

Say Donovan McNabb is right about Reid taking a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round.

What QB do you think Reid would take and who would he pick with the 1st overall pick since he obviously wouldn't go QB in that situation?

I would grab Nassib but I am biased.

O.city · 01-05-2013, 02:13 PM

No QB in this draft is Manning or Luck type prospect, so you absolutely don't draft one that isn't that level first overall.

htismaqe · 01-05-2013, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I'll play devil's advocate here.

Say Donovan McNabb is right about Reid taking a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round.

What QB do you think Reid would take and who would he pick with the 1st overall pick since he obviously wouldn't go QB in that situation?

Ryan Nassib and Star lotulelei.

O.city · 01-05-2013, 02:17 PM

Nassib had a shitty game against one of the worst defenses in college football in his bowl game. No thanks.

**DeezNutz** · 01-05-2013, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Why stop there? Let's throw Tom Brady into the 2013 draft and see where he goes... stop being ****ing reeruned.

Dude. Come on. The reason for alluding to Brees is pretty obvious.

And people are greatly mistaken if they think that a '12 redraft wouldn't find Wilson early in the first.

jd1020 · 01-05-2013, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Dude. Come on. The reason for alluding to Brees is pretty obvious.

And people are greatly mistaken if they think that a '12 redraft wouldn't find Wilson early in the first.

Redrafts are stupid.

You would not find Wilson early in the first if you redid '12. Because if you redid the '12 draft you would be only looking at his measurables and his college performance and that led to 32 teams passing on him multiple times.

But people like to play this game for some reason. "Look at what player X is doing... we should have drafted him in the first round!"

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-05-2013, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Yes I am using 20/20 hindsight.

Dane said there is no Russel Wilson in this years draft. I called that ironic for obvious reasons.

What's obvious about it? I think you're really confused.

If I had said "There's no Nick Foles in this year's draft", I could understand your point. Foles had ideal size, was a third round pick and was a decent starter on a bad team. That would "ironic" because those players exist in spades.

But Russell Wilson is extremely unique. He's an amazing athlete that could be in Major League Baseball as a pitcher and refused a $1 million dollar signing bonus at age 18 because he wanted to play football. He played at not one but TWO FBS schools in NC State AND Wisconsin.

But the main reason why Russell wasn't taken earlier than the third round isn't because he didn't have a great pedigree, character or athleticism. It's because draft scouts and GM's don't put a high grade on quarterbacks shorter than 6'0, let alone 5'11.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-05-2013, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Based on the Seahawks success with him this year, I disagree.

Yeah, you're right: Russell Wilson of the 2012 Seahawks opened the door to the Seahawks drafting Russell Wilson in 2013.

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EagleRob · 01-05-2013, 03:47 PM

Hi All,

Eagles fan here but also root for the Chiefs as I have family in the area. Honestly, I believe Andy's failures recently were a result of the ownership and non-football management layers in the Eagles making moves they believe were a final push for a championship then letting Reid take the fall, along with current Browns GM Joe Banner. Reid and new Eagles GM Howie Roseman didnt see eye to eye on personnel so word is, Reid was resigning if the team didn't terminate his contract.

You all are getting a fantastic human being to run your team. He accepts responsibility for failures, though sometimes to a fault, installs a winning atmosphere from Day 1, and turned Philly into a desirable destination for draftees and free agents. He builds around a franchise QB that he drafts, preferring QBs that are tall, strong-armed, and make good decisions. He feels he rest can be taught. He grew up as an O-lineman so he believes that goodtrams start with good lines. If I were a betting man, he will look QB or OL with his draft picks and FA targets. If there is no franchise QB or OL targets, expect him to trade down and add extra 1sts and 2nds. Don't be surprised if he brings in a Vick or even McNabb to teach his young QBs his system initially but don't worry - it would be temporary. Don't be surprised if he tries to trade a 4th rd pick for Kevin Kolb. He's no stud but he's been taught the system. Andy will bring in WRs that are good route runners but not necessarily big or speedy name guys. He prefers RBs that are good chip blockers, pass catchers, and screen runners. His OL will be smallish, but agile pass blockers.

Andy has and always will need a good defensive coordinator that can manage the entire defensive side of the ball. We all loved Jim Johnson for his agressive turnover-inducing style that gives the O a short field. It was a big reason the Eagles were so successful in scoring, particularly in the red zone. After JJ passed, Reid wasn't as successful without good defensive help.

Andy makes good decisions but you may find yourself frustrated when he doesn't draft the obvious need on draft day, makes conservative calls in the two-minute drill, and leaves Hillis on the sideline when trying to convert on 3rd and 1 just outside field goal range.

But, he's a great coach. We will miss him in Philly. I've rooted for the Chiefs since going to my first game at Arrowhead in 88. Glad I've got another good reason to watch.

Rasputin · 01-05-2013, 03:55 PM

Thank you eagleRob. That seems like a fair minded take on Andy Reid.

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**Mr. Flopnuts** · 01-05-2013, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Dropping down to 5, 8, or wherever means we would have to trade down.

We had the worst QB situation in the league. If there's no QB we want at #1, NOBODY is going to want to trade with us. NOBODY.

Exactly. No one wants that pick unless it's a QB. People are ****ing stupid thinking someone is going to trade up for Joeckel or some shit.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 01-05-2013, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

No QB in this draft is Manning or Luck type prospect, so you absolutely don't draft one that isn't that level first overall.

Not sure if serious. If you are, who DO you draft when there aren't any for sure number 1 picks?

O.city · 01-05-2013, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Not sure if serious. If you are, who DO you draft when there aren't any for sure number 1 picks?

No, I was being sarcastic.

**cdcox** · 01-05-2013, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

No, I was being sarcastic.

So before, our pick was too late to take a QB but now its too early to take a QB. Gotcha.

View Poll Results: I will only be happy if Andy Reid selects...
A QB with the 1st pick of the draft	167	48.69%
Trades back and selects a QB in the 1st round	39	11.37%
A QB in the 2nd round of the draft	17	4.96%
A QB in the mid to late rounds of the draft	2	0.58%
A free agent, or trade from another team at QB	10	2.92%
Michael Vick	7	2.04%
Kevin Kolb	2	0.58%
He's Andy ****ing Reid. He knows more than I do. Whoever he takes, I'm good.	94	27.41%
Gaz loves defense, but I want him to select our QB	5	1.46%
Voters: 343. You may not vote on this poll

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EagleRob Living Vicariously Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Leesburg, VA Casino cash: $10004900	Hi All, Eagles fan here but also root for the Chiefs as I have family in the area. Honestly, I believe Andy's failures recently were a result of the ownership and non-football management layers in the Eagles making moves they believe were a final push for a championship then letting Reid take the fall, along with current Browns GM Joe Banner. Reid and new Eagles GM Howie Roseman didnt see eye to eye on personnel so word is, Reid was resigning if the team didn't terminate his contract. You all are getting a fantastic human being to run your team. He accepts responsibility for failures, though sometimes to a fault, installs a winning atmosphere from Day 1, and turned Philly into a desirable destination for draftees and free agents. He builds around a franchise QB that he drafts, preferring QBs that are tall, strong-armed, and make good decisions. He feels he rest can be taught. He grew up as an O-lineman so he believes that goodtrams start with good lines. If I were a betting man, he will look QB or OL with his draft picks and FA targets. If there is no franchise QB or OL targets, expect him to trade down and add extra 1sts and 2nds. Don't be surprised if he brings in a Vick or even McNabb to teach his young QBs his system initially but don't worry - it would be temporary. Don't be surprised if he tries to trade a 4th rd pick for Kevin Kolb. He's no stud but he's been taught the system. Andy will bring in WRs that are good route runners but not necessarily big or speedy name guys. He prefers RBs that are good chip blockers, pass catchers, and screen runners. His OL will be smallish, but agile pass blockers. Andy has and always will need a good defensive coordinator that can manage the entire defensive side of the ball. We all loved Jim Johnson for his agressive turnover-inducing style that gives the O a short field. It was a big reason the Eagles were so successful in scoring, particularly in the red zone. After JJ passed, Reid wasn't as successful without good defensive help. Andy makes good decisions but you may find yourself frustrated when he doesn't draft the obvious need on draft day, makes conservative calls in the two-minute drill, and leaves Hillis on the sideline when trying to convert on 3rd and 1 just outside field goal range. But, he's a great coach. We will miss him in Philly. I've rooted for the Chiefs since going to my first game at Arrowhead in 88. Glad I've got another good reason to watch.
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