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Old 01-17-2013, 10:07 PM  
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Old 01-24-2013, 12:36 PM   #496
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I'd take Klein and Landry Jones before I took Geno Smith. Both performed MUCH better than Smith against Texas. In fact, I would've taken RGIII or Weeden in last year's draft as well. I don't give a s#!t about who beats UT. I'm not THAT big of a fan. Not ONCE have I mentioned his beating UT as reason for my disapproval of a Smith pick at #1. It bothers you that I can actually put a lucid anti-Smith argument together, and his beating UT is the best rebuttal you can come up with? Awesome.

Geno Smith is going to be a garbage QB at the next level. If you want Jason Campbell, why don't you just say so? He's going to be available as a free agent. We don't need to kill this team for the foreseeable future by wasting a pick on his clone when we could just throw away THIS season on a mediocre QB... and then move on.

But, at least Smith had the balls to show up to the senior bowl and compete against the other QBs in his class... oh, wait. Gotta love a QB prospect who's afraid to be compared to his piers and afraid of competition. IDK about y'all, but that just SCREAMS "winner" to me.

The fact that you guys are hanging your entire argument on trash stats in losing efforts is laughable. Of course he was going to have big numbers against LSU... when you're getting your *** stomped that bad, passing the ball is the only option. Geno Smith had a 58% completion rate and 2 picks in 2011 against LSU. 7 of WV's 8 first half drives ended in either a punt or a turnover. The majority of Smith's passing yards in that game came when the game was already out of hand. It didn't go any better for Wilson... well, other than a 63% completion rating and only 1 pick. The final score wasn't the same and Wilson didn't put up 2x as many yards... but the result was still the same. Nothing else matters.

Geno Smith beat 2 teams who have legitimate NFL talent his entire career. Last year's Clemson team (and destroyed that team) and this year's Texas team in the last minute. Two career defining WINNING performances.

The rest of his career wins came against:

2011
Marshall, Norfolk St, Maryland, Bowling Green, UConn, Rutgers, Cincinnati (#23), Pittsburgh, and South Florida

2012
Marshall, James Madison, Maryland, Baylor, Iowa St., and Kansas.

Every other time he was challenged against elite talent that he and his NFL caliber WRs couldn't run away from, he lost... and usually convincingly.

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#2 LSU 47-21, (NR) Syracuse 49-23, (NR) Louisville 38-35

2012
(NR) TxTech 49-14, #4 KSU 55-14, (NR) TCU 39-38, (NR) OSU 55-34, #12 OU 50-49, (NR) Syracuse 38-14

6 of those 9 losses were by at least 15pts. Y'all are so blinded by his average completion percentage which, is inflated by his performances against inferior talent, that y'all don't even check to see what he did against these teams he LOST against. He performed at a 55% completion rate during his losses. It wasn't like he tore things up and his team just let him down... in fact, it was probably closer to the opposite. I contend that it was BECAUSE of his poor completion percentage and poor performance against better talent that probably caused those losses.

Does it honestly NOT bother you that Smith only shows up against inferior talent? That argument alone was the sole reason why EVERYONE thought Poe was a reach last year. He had "all the tools" but didn't perform against top talent... ring a bell? Where was this "franchise QB" when his team was getting blown out by unranked teams like Syracuse, TxTech, and OSU? Wouldn't you think a "franchise QB" should have been worth at least 2 more points and "find a way" to beat OU and TCU?

Bottom line, Geno Smith has only beaten 4 teams who finished the season in the top 25 his whole career. Those teams were ranked 11th, 15th, 23rd, and 25th. Those were his accomplishments. THAT'S IT. Wilson beat 4 teams who finished in the top 25 in 2011 alone, ranked 8th, 9th, 14th, and 15th. Why are you putting so much stock in wins against the severely inferior teams listed above and desperate passing numbers in blowout games in Geno Smith's losses? Why are you dismissing the fact that he can't win against good teams? I'm not interested in a QB who puts up eye-popping numbers in blow-out losses... what's the point??\
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I missed the intro so I'm not sure who the guest is on 810 right now but he has this to say:

Still thinks Geno is "in play" at #1 overall. Doesn't think Geno will throw at the combine either, so this won't be settled anytime soon.

Wasn't overly impressed with any of the QBs at the Senior Bowl. Doesn't see any of them rising all the way to the #1 overall pick.

Said the Senior Bowl is really setup so that QBs look bad. Don't have much of a chance to excel in that situation. Geno probably helped himself by not going.
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Just read the Fox Sports mock Draft. Geno Smith isn't even the first qb taken according to them.
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Just read the Fox Sports mock Draft. Geno Smith isn't even the first qb taken according to them.
If it's Pete Schrager, forget it.

He's a moron.
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Said the Senior Bowl is really setup so that QBs look bad. Don't have much of a chance to excel in that situation. Geno probably helped himself by not going.
IMO, 90% of the senior bowl isn't being judged by what you and I are watching on tv. It is how the players are responding to coaching.
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I missed the intro so I'm not sure who the guest is on 810 right now but he has this to say:

Still thinks Geno is "in play" at #1 overall. Doesn't think Geno will throw at the combine either, so this won't be settled anytime soon.

Wasn't overly impressed with any of the QBs at the Senior Bowl. Doesn't see any of them rising all the way to the #1 overall pick.

Said the Senior Bowl is really setup so that QBs look bad. Don't have much of a chance to excel in that situation. Geno probably helped himself by not going.
What i dont get is, if there is no consensus #1 pick or #1 QB, why doesnt Geno show up, throw and put the doubters to rest? Isnt this dropping his draft position?
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What i dont get is, if there is no consensus #1 pick or #1 QB, why doesnt Geno show up, throw and put the doubters to rest? Isnt this dropping his draft position?
Nope.

The teams essentially give him an "incomplete" until they have a chance to work him out.

Teams are focused on the guys that ARE there.

Geno is just back-burnered until they get a chance to talk to him and see him.

So it's in his best interest to make sure they see him in a situation where he looks GREAT. That's not the Senior Bowl.

Mike Glennon, for example, has hurt his stock by playing at the Senior Bowl.
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IMO, 90% of the senior bowl isn't being judged by what you and I are watching on tv. It is how the players are responding to coaching.
The most important thing about the senior bowl is the one on one drills. There is no where for the players to hide. 75% of the drills there are one on one.
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