Chiefs Poilian says no QB worthy of #1. Chiefs can find one later - Page 5

Deberg_1990 · 02-22-2013, 08:37 AM

Former Colts GM Polian says Chiefs can find a QB in the draft

— In Bill Polian’s long career as an NFL general manager, his team had the number-one pick in the draft just once. That was in 1998, when he was with Indianapolis, and the Colts that year selected a quarterback, Peyton Manning.

That worked out well for Polian and the Colts. But Polian said he doesn’t think the Chiefs should draft a quarterback with this year’s first pick, even though they would like an upgrade over Matt Cassel. Like many assessing this year’s draft, Polian said there’s not a quarterback worthy of being the number-one selection.

“Just because there’s not a quarterback that everybody now doesn’t think is worth the number-one pick doesn’t mean you can’t get a quarterback,” Polian said. “Nobody thought Russell Wilson was worth a third-round pick except a couple of us. He turned out to be a pretty good quarterback.

“You always go for the best player. It’s foolish to go for need and (Chiefs coach Andy Reid) won’t do that.”

While Reid coached in Philadelphia, the Eagles at least a couple of times found quarterbacks after the first round who eventually became starters, including Kevin Kolb and Nick Foles.

“Nobody develops quarterbacks better than Andy Reid,” Polian said. “So rest assured, you’ve got the right guy. Whatever decision he makes will be the right one. He’ll find a quarterback. It doesn’t need to be the first guy in the draft.”
Other than to stay away from quarterbacks, Polian had no advice for the Chiefs with the first pick.

“Ask Andy,” he said. “They know their personnel far better than I do and they know what they need.”

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/21...-colts-gm.html

Mr_Tomahawk · 02-22-2013, 09:54 AM

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Darkhorse?

That's racist.

htismaqe · 02-22-2013, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Darkhorse?

Absolutely.

If they bring in a stopgap vet like Alex Smith, EJ Manuel becomes very intriguing.

I just want people to be wary of letting themselves become convinced that Manuel is the next Colin Kaepernick. There are some KEY differences.

RunKC · 02-22-2013, 09:54 AM

This is all going to depend on who Dorsey and Reid feel is the best QB. If the QB they feel is the best in the draft isn't a first round QB (example: EJ Manuel, who they are interviewing) then they'll probably pick him at 34.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 02-22-2013, 09:57 AM

I really would imagine they will be interviewing the top 10 QB's so this isn't really news.

htismaqe · 02-22-2013, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

That's racist.

htismaqe · 02-22-2013, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

This is all going to depend on who Dorsey and Reid feel is the best QB. If the QB they feel is the best in the draft isn't a first round QB (example: EJ Manuel, who they are interviewing) then they'll probably pick him at 34.

This I agree with.

If they're banking on Barkley or Wilson being there at 34, that's a flawed strategy.

If they're targeting Nassib, Dysert, or Manuel, then it absolutely makes sense.

**ptlyon** · 02-22-2013, 10:01 AM

I'll say it again - I hope I'm not at home for the chiefs #1 pick, that way whatever I break won't be mine.

**The Franchise** · 02-22-2013, 10:04 AM

I'm really hoping Russell Wilson bombs hard from here on out. It's getting tiresome hearing everyone saying that they thought he was going to be something special.

RunKC · 02-22-2013, 10:05 AM

Also, I just don't see us taking a Guard at all in this draft.

Jeff Allen was sought after by Reid last year. He had the guy in on a pre-draft visit for crying out loud.

rabblerouser · 02-22-2013, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

“You always go for the best player. It’s foolish to go for need and (Chiefs coach Andy Reid) won’t do that..."

Ok.

And THEN :

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

“Ask Andy,” he said. “They know their personnel far better than I do and they know what they need.”

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/21...-colts-gm.html

Polian's a ****ing reerun.

RyFo18 · 02-22-2013, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Vick never let go of the job because Kolb couldn't take it for his own.

It isn't AT ALL like Alex Smith/Kaepernick. Kolb has literally NOTHING to offer next to Colin Kaepernick.

Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Ummm. Kolb went down in week 9. In week 10 Vick had 413 total yards, 4 TD passes and 2 rushing TDs and the Eagles scored 59 points. Vick then went on to throw for 2000 yards and rush just under 500 over the last 8 weeks of the season. He also accounted for 23 touchdowns and led them into the playoffs. He had a 98 QB rating during that stretch.

None of that ever happens if Kolb doesn't get hurt. Kolb was their franchise QB. Nobody in their right mind is going to go back to Kolb though after Vick had that ridiculous game against the Redskins. This is all we are arguing. You said he wasn't. He was...Vick changed all that because NOBODY saw that coming from Vick.

htismaqe · 02-22-2013, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by RyFo18

Ummm. Kolb went down in week 9. In week 10 Vick had 413 total yards, 4 TD passes and 2 rushing TDs and the Eagles scored 59 points. Vick then went on to throw for 2000 yards and rush just under 500 over the last 8 weeks of the season. He also accounted for 23 touchdowns and led them into the playoffs. He had a 98 QB rating during that stretch.

None of that ever happens if Kolb doesn't get hurt. Kolb was their franchise QB. Nobody in their right mind is going to go back to Kolb though after Vick had that ridiculous game against the Redskins. This is all we are arguing. You said he wasn't. He was...Vick changed all that because NOBODY saw that coming from Vick.

So Andy Reid went for the Flavor of the Month.

You're not making a case for him being a "QB guru". Quite the opposite actually.

**RealSNR** · 02-22-2013, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

They do what smart teams do: get value and the QB.

It was no secret that Russell Wilson was getting a 3rd round grade due to his height. Hell some people thought Foles would be taken before him because of that issue.

Teams will know what round each player, especially a QB, will be slotted in on draft day.
Pretty clear that Schneider zoned in on the kid and knew his height would keep him out of the first 2 rounds.
Teams will know EVERYTHING about a QB if they need one. E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G.

Teams will know what round each player will be slotted in. Especially the team that winds up in a position to draft said player.

For all the teams that wanted that player but missed out, they clearly didn't ****ing know where the QB was going to be drafted now, did they? I know only one team can pick one player, but your explanation is still a far ****ing cry from the Seahawks going, "We have Flynn but need another QB. Here's what we do: RUSSELL WILSON. Got it? He's gonna be our 3rd round pick, and no team will trade ahead of us to go get him, because we know EVERYTHING there is to know about this player."

I'm just trying to get you to stop saying reeruned shit like, "Teams know when players will be available in certain rounds." They can make educated guesses, but all it takes is a Christian Ponder reach or a huge ****ing surprise trade out of nowhere to throw things out of whack. Then all that educated speculation they made about the player goes out the window.

Smart teams don't pound the value button like a reeruned monkey. Smart teams isolate the players they really want and need, and they GET THEM. Regardless of whether or not it's considered a reach. For example, in that very same draft you saw Bruce Irvin get reached on hard by the Seahawks because they frankly didn't know if another team was going to one-up them. Irvin sure as hell wasn't very good value where they picked him, but they got their guy. They said, "**** value. We want this player." And they pulled the trigger.

Again, shut the **** up, dumbass

htismaqe · 02-22-2013, 10:20 AM

We need a filter for the word "value".

The biggest crock of shit ever.

Chiefnj2 · 02-22-2013, 10:20 AM

I find all the anger at the draft guys and ex-GMs to be funny. Is it their fault this years QB class sucks in terms of top end talent? The networks LOVE QBs. If there was a prospect to get excited over and over-hype they would. Based on game film alone it looks like there is one prospect who is getting a mid-first round grade. That's it. The choice for Reid is (a) bring in a vet, (b) reach for Smith, or (c) wait for the later rounds and try to beat the odds that that player can become a franchise QB.

Reaching for Smith is fine since you aren't going to get the same impact from any other position if you hit your pick. But, people need to stop whining that the entire world doesn't view him as a top 3 graded player.

02-22-2013, 08:37 AM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $124454	Poilian says no QB worthy of #1. Chiefs can find one later Former Colts GM Polian says Chiefs can find a QB in the draft — In Bill Polian’s long career as an NFL general manager, his team had the number-one pick in the draft just once. That was in 1998, when he was with Indianapolis, and the Colts that year selected a quarterback, Peyton Manning. That worked out well for Polian and the Colts. But Polian said he doesn’t think the Chiefs should draft a quarterback with this year’s first pick, even though they would like an upgrade over Matt Cassel. Like many assessing this year’s draft, Polian said there’s not a quarterback worthy of being the number-one selection. “Just because there’s not a quarterback that everybody now doesn’t think is worth the number-one pick doesn’t mean you can’t get a quarterback,” Polian said. “Nobody thought Russell Wilson was worth a third-round pick except a couple of us. He turned out to be a pretty good quarterback. “You always go for the best player. It’s foolish to go for need and (Chiefs coach Andy Reid) won’t do that.” While Reid coached in Philadelphia, the Eagles at least a couple of times found quarterbacks after the first round who eventually became starters, including Kevin Kolb and Nick Foles. “Nobody develops quarterbacks better than Andy Reid,” Polian said. “So rest assured, you’ve got the right guy. Whatever decision he makes will be the right one. He’ll find a quarterback. It doesn’t need to be the first guy in the draft.” Other than to stay away from quarterbacks, Polian had no advice for the Chiefs with the first pick. “Ask Andy,” he said. “They know their personnel far better than I do and they know what they need.” http://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/21...-colts-gm.html
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02-22-2013, 09:54 AM	#63
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1620389	This is all going to depend on who Dorsey and Reid feel is the best QB. If the QB they feel is the best in the draft isn't a first round QB (example: EJ Manuel, who they are interviewing) then they'll probably pick him at 34. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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02-22-2013, 09:57 AM	#64
Hog's Gone Fishin Fish are scared of me Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1529523	I really would imagine they will be interviewing the top 10 QB's so this isn't really news.
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ptlyon Bono & Grbac wasn't enough Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Sioux City, IA Casino cash: $9253829	I'll say it again - I hope I'm not at home for the chiefs #1 pick, that way whatever I break won't be mine. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Advertise here: $19.99 a month
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02-22-2013, 10:04 AM	#68
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2065047	I'm really hoping Russell Wilson bombs hard from here on out. It's getting tiresome hearing everyone saying that they thought he was going to be something special.
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02-22-2013, 10:05 AM	#69
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1620389	Also, I just don't see us taking a Guard at all in this draft. Jeff Allen was sought after by Reid last year. He had the guy in on a pre-draft visit for crying out loud. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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02-22-2013, 10:20 AM	#74
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8119900	We need a filter for the word "value". The biggest crock of shit ever.
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02-22-2013, 10:20 AM	#75
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	I find all the anger at the draft guys and ex-GMs to be funny. Is it their fault this years QB class sucks in terms of top end talent? The networks LOVE QBs. If there was a prospect to get excited over and over-hype they would. Based on game film alone it looks like there is one prospect who is getting a mid-first round grade. That's it. The choice for Reid is (a) bring in a vet, (b) reach for Smith, or (c) wait for the later rounds and try to beat the odds that that player can become a franchise QB. Reaching for Smith is fine since you aren't going to get the same impact from any other position if you hit your pick. But, people need to stop whining that the entire world doesn't view him as a top 3 graded player. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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